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Where would I be without tangents? Weeeeeell, *Severin* is not necessarily *Severian*. 1) There are saints named of Severian, of course. One martyred in North Africa and one who …
01 Jul 2005, 12:52
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If we presume Sev investigated every tomb, perhaps his memory is the key. Why presume that? For that matter, why presume that Cilinia's tomb is written a script that Severian can …
30 Jun 2005, 14:21
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Oooooooooh! Now I *understand*. I went back and read your post and I must admit I wonder why I didn't see it before: http://listserver.dreamhost.com/pipermail/urth-urth.net/2005-Ju…
29 Jun 2005, 06:54
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Yes. I am saying that Tussah KNEW he is a clone of Typhon. It is likely he even knew that Pas had that name on the Red Sun Whorl (the Rajan was aware of it). Lemur knows a lot of d…
28 Jun 2005, 16:36
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If you're offering a defense, it's a lame one. If it is an apology, it's worse. Take your best shot, but stand in the open as you do. I agree moving on is the best recourse, consi…
28 Jun 2005, 16:36
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Well, all of Wolfe's narrators are unreliable to some extent and his identity is rather ambiguous so his denial is not *complete* nor *entirely* wrong. But leaving that aside, in …
27 Jun 2005, 16:28
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Mark Millman said: Well, having Silk's reunion with his parents NOT occur in the Mainframe would certainly eliminate the question of how his second set got there, you've definitel…
27 Jun 2005, 16:11
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Well, I will note that I said that the Rajan "ARGUABLY knows AS MUCH *or* more about Pas than anyone". I don't deny there is an argument to be made that others know more. But he …
27 Jun 2005, 15:25
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MourningS Glory says: [Then MSG notes the following questions, which I will attempt an answer with the understanding that I'm definitely "behind the eight ball" in this case.] Y…
26 Jun 2005, 13:41
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"She possessed Oreb, as I told you, because she knew he would soon be brought [to Blue]. She felt sure--she told me this one night--that Pas would would not have peopled Blue unles…
26 Jun 2005, 12:16
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Yes, I know. And, I admit, that for someone to find this theory appealing *at all* you have to unsatisfied with the "obvious" explanation. It has strong arguments behind if that …
26 Jun 2005, 12:12
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Stanislaw Bocian said: Well, that is certainly not the whole arguement. In cases of embryo implantation now, fatherhood rights are tenuous. They are recognized if the man positi…
25 Jun 2005, 14:15
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The Rajan seems quite comfortable that he knows more about this issue than Scylla. He doesn't elaborate why, but there is something about his assuredness makes me believe him. And …
25 Jun 2005, 13:33
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Chris said: Thank you, Chris. An infinite number of Severians would certainly explain why one they would need to wear masks. And you are right, if Severian is a clone then his "gr…
25 Jun 2005, 11:44
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Crush said: Roy answered: You are wrong; self-evidently so. That is exactly what the text said. Why are you quibbling about it? The point of that statement was that the Rajan, wh…
25 Jun 2005, 10:25
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Chris said: Ha ha! Dan'l already devised that retort the day I first declared that the explanation for Wolfe's answer was that Tussah was a clone of Typhon (although he may not re…
24 Jun 2005, 17:19
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Dan'l says: Well, "playing dead" is no small clue. Silk is a trained and practiced "butcher". He deals with dead animals all the time. He had every reason to want Oreb NOT to be d…
24 Jun 2005, 15:51
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Well, "playing dead" is no small clue. Silk is a trained and practiced "butcher". He deals with dead animals all the time. He had every reason to want Oreb NOT to be dead. It was a…
24 Jun 2005, 15:48
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Chris says: I don't think Wolfe is writing an allegory. He's playing with many different ideas in many ways often at the same time. He's cooking a multiple course meal tossing in …
24 Jun 2005, 06:11
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Crush said: I don't care if you completely deny there are *any* clones in the entire Sun Cycle, it is still extremely arguable (but I'm not arguing it) that the books are to Gnost…
23 Jun 2005, 15:02
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Cool. Crush said: I do think Wolfe was being "conversationally perverse" as you put it. The questioner asked about Silk's ancestry. He is taking it as a given that Silk is not t…
23 Jun 2005, 14:34
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Don said: Chris said: I think Roy was saying that Quetzal only knew Tussah and Horn. Wolfe has clarified when Quetzal entered the Whorl on the urth list by saying that Quetzal wa…
23 Jun 2005, 11:26
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Thematically, I consider it very important. Tussah=Typhon means that Tussah;s and Pas's murder that happened at about the same are connected so far as the story goes. Much has bee…
23 Jun 2005, 09:09
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Roy says: "It is enough" is a key word here. I once had about 5 potential explanations for Tussah's relationship with Silk. The one you give *could* have been the explanation amon…
23 Jun 2005, 08:45
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Well, I didn't intend to pin this tail on you. I only referred to you and Roy because in the post Chris cited, y'all were, at the time, putting it forward. Actually, I also find th…
23 Jun 2005, 08:44
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Chris speculates Well, after Pas re-emerged and began to purge the Mainframe of the rebel modules, I'm sure there were plenty of opportunities for Silk to encounter it. But if an …
22 Jun 2005, 15:06
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Crush said: Chris replied: Hmm...Well, I doubt the Rajan contains 'Silver Silk' (have there been any proposed etymologies to this title?), and I don't know of any compelling reas…
22 Jun 2005, 09:08
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Hmmmm.... It occurs to me that The Long Sun is a cyberpunk novel told from the perspective of one totally uncomprehensive of the virtual world he lives in (imagine "The Matrix" wh…
21 Jun 2005, 13:42
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For the record, I concur with the gist of the interpretation although I couldn't say what the parallels between Sev & Ymar's life are, I didn't originally find Don's interpretation…
20 Jun 2005, 14:54
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Irony. ;-) ~ Crush…
20 Jun 2005, 14:00
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Sandwalker is simulator of a human being. Also, as a Shadow Child, he personality is bound with the other Shadow Children. He is also connected to his twin brother. So he is a boun…
17 Jun 2005, 17:02
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When Don posted his clone theory a couple years ago, I thought it was interesting and quaint but a little "out there". Now, having read The Short Sun and knowing that Severian's cr…
17 Jun 2005, 16:53
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Welcome, Thapaguru! Well, Able is an Overcyn, right? Are you saying "why not Valfather?" Well, I gathered that Michael reckons things 4th dimensionally differently from people of …
09 Jun 2005, 09:43
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Oh, yeah, sorry. THE CATS Of ULTHAR among others.…
03 Jun 2005, 12:54
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Maybe, maybe not. But there is some evidence that Wolfe wet his whistle on Lovecraft for THE WIZARD KNIGHT. The only literary reference I know of for "Skai" is the farmland-belte…
03 Jun 2005, 11:30
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Just a general obsession with dolls...treating them like people ala the concern that chaining them would be cruel. My first thought when I read the article was TAD. (shrug) ---…
31 May 2005, 21:17
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Okay. I'll take this one on. For starters, a re-reading is probably in order. It is often said that Wolfe cannot be read, only re-read. Alexander Wallis said: Hmmm...well, if you…
20 May 2005, 12:25
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Halekin said: BTW I liked the connection to Solomon Kane, I really think there might be something to it. Did Agila have red hair? That went right by me. Crush…
16 May 2005, 19:39
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Harlekin says: Well, not to be obstinate, but the voided cross *is* called "the sign of addition" which seems like a bit of strike against a swastika. Of course that's hardly de…
16 May 2005, 19:35
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Like this: http://www.urth.org/whorlmap/voided_cross.htm The article is unfinished but the voided cross graphic is accurate, I believe. Crush ----- Original Message -----…
15 May 2005, 15:12
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It could be the human body that he took on. Or he could be named for St. Jonas. He was a 4th century monk who spent 85 years in a desert hermitage. That sounds a bit like our mar…
04 May 2005, 17:32
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Brian Lovely said: The Narrator's rule over Gaon takes place after the Narrator leaves the Whorl...after he gives his eye to Pig (RTTW). Remember he got to the Whorl by leaving Ho…
21 Apr 2005, 10:50
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Ah! How nice to get some Short Sun questions. Personally, I'm so "over" the New Sun issues right now. My opinion: http://lists.urth.net/htdig.cgi/urth-urth.net/2004-December/0002…
20 Apr 2005, 21:22
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This brings up an idea that I've been toying with that Severian was intended as an amalgum of heretical Christs. His name identifies him with the heretical Encratites as explaine…
17 Apr 2005, 06:01
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I going to presume we're talking fiction here. He wrote a gushing blurb for a book of Avram Davidson's short stories. He's referred to Kate Wilhelm in several interviews and chat…
15 Apr 2005, 17:27
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Sure they have to be consistent. God didn't have Abraham perform a human sacrifice; he only asked Abraham to show that he WOULD...that the gift was not more precious to him than th…
12 Apr 2005, 08:53
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Who has a ram provided by God sacrificed in his place. In Christian theology, Isaac is a "type" for the Christ *and* mankind. The story is literally stewing in available Christia…
11 Apr 2005, 14:35
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Well, of course I do read Wolfe but he takes a *lot* of pretty obvious steps to signal that his narrators are unreliable. First, he tells the story in first person, he sets up the…
09 Apr 2005, 19:19
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Nathan, you are coming in a late and I don't want to restart this conversation since I have already said that Dan'l and others have a point (but only if "The Watchmen" is deeply …
09 Apr 2005, 11:57
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That's the one, but more so at the concept that "us vs them" thinking can be tagged to a particular category of the human race or to a philosophic category. "Us vs Them" thinking…
05 Apr 2005, 10:46
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