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Right, Jordan. When OBW starts 1) Horn has died in the pit and been resurrected, 2) traveled to Parajuco and boarded a ship to Green, 2) Died on Green and had his "spirit" transm…
30 Dec 2010, 18:09
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He only gives up one eye. he has one left.…
30 Dec 2010, 17:17
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What page was it? u+16b9…
30 Dec 2010, 16:32
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I suggested this recently. There are problems with it. http://lists.urth.net/pipermail/urth-urth.net/2010-December/020017.html u+16b9…
30 Dec 2010, 16:17
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Actually, I believe Hyacinth is Fava (the inhuma whose body died during dream-travel). I think she was collected by the Rajan and taken to the Whorl to take part in her story (ju…
30 Dec 2010, 16:13
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Well, I agree they RETAIN it in theory. But they can't use it. VRT stays in his prison, not because he CAN'T escape but because he can't imitate John V. Marsch and escape. Marsch…
30 Dec 2010, 16:00
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Mother's husband that is.…
30 Dec 2010, 10:08
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Well, he said he should just keep his mouth shut. It's a pretty random joke if that's all it was. The nasty sarcasm in such a joke totally alien to my interactions with Wolfe. Bu…
30 Dec 2010, 09:34
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And yet, the author has something to say that throws a kink in our initial interpretation. This reasoning of yours is like a little child's who thinks his father has become scary…
30 Dec 2010, 04:29
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There's not much discussion of religion in Green's world, but assuming his is ours there is a Christian Church. If there were no equivalent in Lara's world, their world would be …
30 Dec 2010, 04:07
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Well, I'm not inclined to squint at the stories to see if they are theologically correct, but I did take a stab at this here: http://lists.urth.net/pipermail/urth-urth.net/2010-D…
30 Dec 2010, 02:06
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It doesn't mean it isn't true. It only means it has not been established HOW it is true. I think it is true. I only doubt that the Blue/Green sun is Urth's Sol. There are at lea…
30 Dec 2010, 01:46
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If Wolfe is to be credited, they are not.…
29 Dec 2010, 22:54
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In fairness, that's what Wolfe did when asked why the Whorl was sent. He also said Typhon didn't know about the inhumi, and they weren't part of /his/ plan. Their bodies are rept…
29 Dec 2010, 20:37
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From "How To Read Gene Wolfe" by Neil Gaiman http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/2007/gwng0704.htm 3) Reread. It's better the second time. It will be even better the third time. And anyway…
29 Dec 2010, 19:25
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I don't think this applies to the inhumi and I think you have misinterpreted the lesson. I think Wolfe is making a statement about colonization here. It has always gone on. One g…
29 Dec 2010, 17:42
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But, Lee, if Wolfe is truly keying off of Genesis 6, where is Noah? The ark? The animals? The ark can't be the Whorl because it wasn't written yet. Noah can't be Severian because…
29 Dec 2010, 15:35
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They are only as bad as we are. If people did not prey on each other, then the ensouled inhumi would die shortly after birth. Only the animal inhumi would survive. I believe this…
28 Dec 2010, 23:56
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Actually, that's the opposite lesson of Dr Veil and of the evolutionary loss of the carapace. If the abos are perfect imitations, then they must lose the ability to shape-shift a…
28 Dec 2010, 21:27
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All totally different. The first is an example "persons becoming myth" that I spoke of. The second is literary allusion: the author embedding literature into his narrative, not t…
28 Dec 2010, 21:27
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The Rajan is the same. But I believe it is a teensy bit more complicated than Horn in Silk's body. http://lists.urth.net/pipermail/urth-urth.net/2010-December/018826.html Wolfe …
28 Dec 2010, 19:59
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Well, you should because the Rajan asserts the Neighbors' home planet was Blue, not Green. u+16b9…
28 Dec 2010, 19:36
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It's not really the same thing as what Thomas seemed to be implying. It's true that Wolfe constantly demonstrates how myth becomes real, how real people become myth, how lies bec…
28 Dec 2010, 19:32
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It is emphatically the case that the Mother on Blue is connected to Megatherian Scylla. Whether they are of the same species or whether Mother is some sort of branch from the ori…
28 Dec 2010, 19:16
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Well, that's not really what I meant, and I suppose you know that. But for clarity, I meant that if Wolfe had intended to imply that inhumi were _active_ on the Urth of Severian,…
28 Dec 2010, 19:02
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Wolfe said that Quetzal was a recent arrival, and since I believe his mother fed on Tussah that sounds reasonable to me. But when that question was asked, no one knew about the o…
28 Dec 2010, 18:04
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Okay, there's also "The Island of Doctor Death and Other Stories" as well where a character in a short story reads a book of short stories, and they all know they are characters …
28 Dec 2010, 18:03
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Getting moderately frustrated. Let's start again. You say "Besides the fact that [astral travel uses mental maps rather than physical ones] is *the* probable way a travel powered …
28 Dec 2010, 17:20
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Oh. Sorry. It's just that was what _I_ was commenting on. That's what the thread was about. Your correction is quite terse. What are you talking about? u+16b9…
28 Dec 2010, 16:59
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I can't even imagine the mechanics of this. It sounds more like mysticism than fantasy or SF. Either that is like one of those cartoons from the 1930s where the characters walk i…
28 Dec 2010, 16:26
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I'm not crazy about Lee's postulation either. If Nessus is connected to the distant cities of Green, why is it not connected to any city in the galaxy that has a mirror in it? Bu…
28 Dec 2010, 15:39
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Touche What makes you think Krait can do that? When did he do that? Oh. You're making a serious point! Do you really think this is a possibility? u+16b9…
28 Dec 2010, 15:17
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I'm glad to see that Brunians is back.…
28 Dec 2010, 03:45
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I'm not sure I understand what it is. Are you saying Green/Blue circle the Black Hole? u+16b9…
28 Dec 2010, 01:58
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This is an aspect of Marc's evolved theory that people sometimes miss. There is a lot about Blue that might recommend it to a long ago flooded world. That's the way Marc original…
27 Dec 2010, 20:07
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Marc, I was as disturbed as you when the party in IGJ went to Urth by mistake. So, how do we get from the Urth of Severian to the planets of Blue and Green? How do you explain t…
27 Dec 2010, 16:27
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Actually the weighty arguments I had in mind were the quotes you offered that seems to set Sol far away from Blue and Green. I find those quite bracing. Arguments of practicality…
26 Dec 2010, 16:07
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It's worth noting that this list was at the time of that interview in heated debate over Marc's theories about Blushas or Grushas. Marc had posted on a communication he had had w…
26 Dec 2010, 03:54
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Well, here's the deal on Sol vs Blue/Green. Marc, you have a couple quotes that give me pause--that have always made me feel that Sol and the sun of the Neighbors are very close.…
26 Dec 2010, 03:44
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Hee hee. I like this. Or "The Christmas Inn!" Come to think of it, "The Tree Is My Hat" has a hidden Christmas theme. Really, we have until the Winter Solstice of 2012. Perhaps t…
25 Dec 2010, 18:09
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I'm not making any claims about Ouen. The Stream introduces Time-travel so all bets are off regarding age differences. That would be useful. "This theory sucks. There's no way i…
22 Dec 2010, 18:10
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Err...no one? Because astral traveling had not yet been introduced into the story? How many found the astral Oreb odd? Everyone. Didn't you? . Do you have one? Ummm...but we DO …
22 Dec 2010, 17:35
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Thanks, Ryan. My only problem with this is the conflating of what the text says and presumptions about what the text means. Right. I don't think this information is in dispute. …
22 Dec 2010, 17:25
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Okay. What could possibly establish that for you? Oreb adamantly affirms that it wasn't him. His twin? His father? How about an alternate theory? So, you're answer is "We can't …
22 Dec 2010, 16:55
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I just remembered that there IS cloning in tBotNS. The House Azure, right? u+16b9…
22 Dec 2010, 16:12
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Really? So Silk seeing an astral flying Oreb in his room while the current Oreb is lame downstairs doesn't give you pause? Incanto and Oreb in the grandmother's tale from her you…
22 Dec 2010, 16:09
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Joseph Campbell would probably categorize these as the same. But I see Grendel as more comparable to Theseus/Minotaur and Gilgamesh/Enkidu and Hercules wrestling with Death and wi…
22 Dec 2010, 15:59
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In mythology, the Hero Against the Serpent is a common icon. Sigurd and Fafnir St. George/St. Michael and the dragons Apollo and Hera's delphic dragon Indra and Vrtra…
22 Dec 2010, 14:40
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For me, the implication is too strong that an obviously referenced mythological character (which Wolfe has identified) has the same name as one of the monsters. u+16b9…
22 Dec 2010, 12:43
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I like the idea of the stream as Brook Madrigot. In fact, that interpretation seems obvious now. If Catherine were a time traveller, it explains where she's got to. But if Sev's …
22 Dec 2010, 04:19
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