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Walter Wangerin's "Book of the Dun Cow" sits on my shelves near to Wolfe's books. It consists of a Wolfean mixture of myth and theology (Wangerin is, or was, a Lutheran minister) i…
14 Apr 2003, 12:31
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Blattid yelps: Still unable to post to the list. Grrrr. Still (Aaaargh!) unable to post so replying in person. Feel free to repost to the list if you want to reply. Crush muses: …
10 Apr 2003, 22:10
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Nigel pondered the following quotations: "If I need more courage than I have to live, I will pretend to have it and live anyway. I did that on the battlefield . . . I acted the p…
10 Apr 2003, 14:33
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The following is the text of the Gene Wolfe Chat on Sci-Fi.com last night. I've edited it for readability: *** - *** - ********************************************************…
04 Apr 2003, 16:01
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31 Mar 2003, 17:02
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31 Mar 2003, 17:02
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Non-theologian Crush swims beyond his depth.... Andrew Bollen gathers wool responding to Roy and Matt Weber: "I'd not be surprised to find that Wolfe regards Christ as something …
14 Mar 2003, 17:08
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Charles Reed admonishes: Now you're verging on slandering those of us who prefer to analyze the text on its own merits first and foremost. Crush tries to mend some bridges: Lookin…
14 Mar 2003, 17:01
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Regarding the "male hyacinth" theory, Josh Geller said: When I met Gene Wolfe at the last WorldCon, I mentioned this theory to him, and that there were people who supported it on t…
13 Mar 2003, 14:27
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Marc queries: However, I think ascribing too much weight to details in "King Jesus" might be potentially misleading. Has Wolfe even read it? Crush responds: I'd say Don has found…
11 Mar 2003, 18:48
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Crush says: Chris shakes his head and says: I have trouble agreeing with this, since Typhon's role with respect to Severian is solidly and beyond question related to Satan's role …
10 Mar 2003, 18:54
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Don postulates: The only certainty is that Dorcas is Ouen's mother. Ouen denies ever impregnating Katherine, and the only evidence that Ouen could be Severian's father is that the…
10 Mar 2003, 15:31
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Don notes: This segment is more speculative than the last since I haven't gotten to a second reading of the Long Sun books. Nevertheless, I am firmly convinced of its correctness …
07 Mar 2003, 23:10
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Nigel lends Crush a hand: It is related etymologically to "pilus", the Latin word for "a single hair". Crush responds: Thanks Nigel! This is very useful to me. The confusing thin…
04 Mar 2003, 15:31
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Che challenges Crush's premature abandonment of his male Hyacinth theories: *laughs* But Hyacinths are a male symbol, as used in um, The Wasteland by T. S. Elliot. Yup yup. As you …
03 Mar 2003, 23:44
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Crush responds soothingly: Since I'm primarily responsible for all this, I'll take some of this on... First, my opinions have developed about regarding Hyacinth and Chenille since…
03 Mar 2003, 16:45
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Adam Stephanides takes on Crush's list of Wolfean lovers: I haven't read the Soldier books in a long time, and my memory of them is dim, so you may well be right about Latro. But …
20 Feb 2003, 22:54
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Blattid rightly says: Yes/no ... and likewise yes/no to the original statement that the Christian worldview is "comedic." It depends on what you > mean by "worldview." The Christia…
19 Feb 2003, 21:58
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You didn't say you were limiting this discussion to romantic love so I'll list characters who are not too damaged or crabbed to be genuinely emotionally connected to another person…
18 Feb 2003, 15:51
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Nutria proffered: Blattid deferred: H'mmm. I don't know if I'd go so far as to call the theories of modern science "myths." Crush butts in: One definition of "myth" certainly cou…
14 Feb 2003, 21:07
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Nigel opines: As far as I can see, no one ever answered that question, but I finally got to see that episode of "The Simpsons" on BBC2 this evening and I would say definitely, yes!…
10 Feb 2003, 20:25
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Shell responded to Crush: Of course, many of parallel themes (the nature of identity is a biggie) that they share appear in many Wolfe works, so his predilection to explore such th…
04 Feb 2003, 15:01
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I've been recently been re-reading the Fifth Head of Cerberus. I've been intrigued by the number of parallels between it and The Long Sun/Short Sun. I know this has been vaguely no…
31 Jan 2003, 17:16
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I recently had a conversation with a friend (an Evangelical Christian) about Jonah. My friend is the first person I had met to openly sympathize with Jonah. He was a teenager in Ne…
28 Jan 2003, 19:32
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Tami Whitehead said: Now, not knowing how this fits into the Horn question, the thing that has struck me deepest on Jonah's story is exactly the resistance to God's will, and how t…
28 Jan 2003, 15:13
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Also, different from the resurrected Zeus whose grave(s?) was displayed to pilgrims at Crete. I believe **this** comes into to play in "The Long Sun" with Pas' reputed death. The …
23 Jan 2003, 18:01
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Crush interjects: Which brings up the fact that I always believed the Character list in "The Long Sun" and Short Sun" were compiled by Horn and Nettle. --- Crush…
22 Jan 2003, 22:31
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Rostrum said: I found the one of the major events of Arete totally incomprehensible until someone clued me in to the historical event it is based on. Crush urges: The links were n…
21 Jan 2003, 20:03
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David Duffy reminds us: Arete -- I like fishspine, but I thought we (:)) had decided it pretty clearly refers to the classical (ie pre-Christian) virtues. Crush opines: I presume…
21 Jan 2003, 14:52
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For reading the Soldier books, I recommend doing what one would do for Wolfe's other works: 1. Read the books 2. Look up the obvious blanks the stories imply to you (or read Graves…
20 Jan 2003, 21:18
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Regarding reading the Soldier books, Nutria wrote: You might want to skim Bulfinch's Mythology before starting in. You've gotta know a bit, yea more than a bit, about ancient Greek…
20 Jan 2003, 19:04
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Does anyone have any information about the Latro series? It seems that Wolfe left many hints in "Arete" that the story of Latro is to be continued. And we still haven't figured ou…
20 Jan 2003, 13:11
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I'm trying and failing to remember the essay or work in which CSL argues that the uplifting of the Virgin Mary was God's answer to a Roman Empire crazy for Aphrodite and other orgi…
17 Jan 2003, 23:42
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Two responses..... Marc says: I have a hard time accepting that Wolfe would ever be sympathetic to a feminine point of view, especially when attempting to equate the moral stance …
16 Jan 2003, 18:43
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Roy responding to Mantis: You have noted Graves' position vis-a-vis earth and sky; needless to say, Graves' sympathies were with the goddess. Wolfe's, needless to say, are with the…
15 Jan 2003, 21:15
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I've lost your email addy. Could you contact me? -- Crush…
15 Jan 2003, 18:07
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One thing I've reconsidered: The morphology of the "legs" seems to differ from the dugong's flippers in that the foremost claws (at least) are attached to jointed "arms" that permi…
10 Jan 2003, 20:28
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BTW It occurred to me last night that manticores have **horns** with **stingers**. Wolfe's leatherneck "had" a Horn with a deadly sting as well ... a harpoon. -----Original Messag…
10 Jan 2003, 17:29
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William Ansley responded to Crush: Oh happy day! Finally, someone is arguing with my conclusions! If I am to buy your argument, I have to believe that Horn doesn't know the diffe…
10 Jan 2003, 15:54
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William Ansley heroically proffers: Way back on October 18, 1999 I argued that the leatherskin has twelve legs and no one has bothered arguing with my conclusions yet. What I said …
09 Jan 2003, 17:06
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Crush wrote: Maybe you're right, but I've been increasingly thinking...Chesterton. Andy Robertson added: Chesterton is an obvious root of Wolfe's writing. Crush concurs: True. An…
09 Jan 2003, 15:43
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Josh Geller adamanted: I really do think it is from "Hamlet's Mill". Anyone who enjoys Gene Wolfe's fiction owes it to themselves to read Hamlet's Mill. Crush probes: What in thi…
08 Jan 2003, 20:47
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Andrew Bollen wrote: And this brief commentary on a work by John Crossan (of all people) kind of ties things together: Myth ... is rooted in extra-ordinary encounters with that wh…
08 Jan 2003, 17:14
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A -->quick<-- scan of the introduction to âThe Greek Mythsâ did not find this one. Nor did I find it in Gravesâ introduction to Bullfinchâs âThe Fabled Age.â The more …
07 Jan 2003, 14:26
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Hmmm. Maybe he did. There seems to be some confusion. It would make more sense to me if he did. -- Crush -----Original Message----- From: Josh Geller [mailto:dclxvi at dclxvi.best.v…
03 Jan 2003, 19:40
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I will say this: It has always bothered me that Typhon didn't recognize Severian since from Typhon's perspective, it had only been a short time since he saw the Concilliator. IMO t…
02 Jan 2003, 20:07
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I must say, this find in Sappho is truly astounding. Thanks! --Crush…
30 Dec 2002, 21:04
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Just back from Christmas vacation... Roy wrote: Severian isn't Jesus, despite demonstrable similarities in their stories. Silk isn't Moses; hell, he actually got to the promised l…
30 Dec 2002, 15:58
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Shell declares: I guess you are right! Animal by-products (Silk, Blood, Horn) are bio names, how did that slip my mind? I'm glad for the clarification, especially as I don't want…
19 Dec 2002, 19:52
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Well, for most of it, you would have to accept some of my presuppositions about Chenille and Tussah (realizing he was definitely human really opened things up for me) which I've ye…
19 Dec 2002, 16:12
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