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Sorry. I looked back through all my posts, and did not see this, or I'd've given you credit. Good discussion of Makee (maker) and Ben (Hebrew for son). Makes sense to me. Jim Jo…
20 Apr 2001, 09:38
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Well, that being the case, I must bow and admit that Horn is dead and Silk lives. I was never certain, but I thought a case should be made for the Horn Lives standpoint. I'll have …
21 Feb 2001, 16:01
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This is not really a "fair" question. Wolfe is on record as saying he believe in ghosts, that he believes that gods (angels) ran the world before Christ came, etc. Thus, for him,…
21 Feb 2001, 08:56
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Wolfe has written this way, often, since his career began. His early short story "The Changeling" is about as confusing as anything he's ever written since. We discussed it at le…
21 Feb 2001, 08:51
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Well, Borski has sure done a job for us. But I have one question: Pig says he killed an augur. Okay. But "Silk" is very much alive, as he knows as well as anyone. Thus, it does not…
19 Feb 2001, 19:46
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Well, Borski has sure done a job for us. But I have one question: Pig says he killed an augur. Okay. But "Silk" is very much alive, as he knows as well as anyone. Thus, it does not…
19 Feb 2001, 19:23
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Thanks. For me the death of Jahlee was the most moving part of the book. True. I don't know that Wolfe is doing all that AGAIN, though. Good question.…
19 Feb 2001, 10:38
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I don't see the humans "on the whole" becoming better people either. I meant Wolfe's characters. But why not more inhumi? Well, I don't think the book of Acts or Paul's …
19 Feb 2001, 09:37
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I don't know. I have the impression that Wolfe writes these books in layers, adding layer after layer of additional stories until we get a whole tapestry. We've got the Odyssey h…
19 Feb 2001, 09:23
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This theory makes a great deal of sense to me. FWIW. So does your notion that Pig is a godling and that Pig may have "killed" Silk. It does seem that Pig once had eyes, and lost …
17 Feb 2001, 13:15
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I'm finally done with the book, and have not finished all the posts, but at this point I'm not at all convinced that Horn is gone and Silk lives. Quite the opposite. But I'm not …
17 Feb 2001, 13:11
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Jahlee is in love with Horn. Nettle is her rival. She realizes this when face to face with Nettle at last. Horn defends his wife, and "goes too far." But that's reality. …
17 Feb 2001, 13:02
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Quadrifons is a cherub. (Ezekiel chapter 1). Also, thus, a sphinx. The cherubim guard the gate of Eden, which is now the Church. Passing into the Edenic garden, we pass by the ch…
17 Feb 2001, 12:59
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Have you ever read the Wizard of Oz? Or even seen the movie? If so, bear it in mind while you read. It will make the going much more fun. JBJordan…
30 Jan 2001, 21:38
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I'd meant to add: (a) the weapon provided Horn is a sword, not a sluggun or a needler. Is this because iron is effective against inhumi, while the other kinds of weapons aren't? …
27 Jan 2001, 13:04
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Two other odds and ends: 1. Someone in the past asked about the Neighbor named Horn. I assumed that the Neighbor was honoring Horn by taking Horn's name as his own. 2. Which bri…
27 Jan 2001, 11:38
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Am re-reading OBW and IGJ in preparation for RTW (which just arrived). Noticed a couple of things that MAY have been discussed already -- I did review all the posts I've kept -- …
26 Jan 2001, 15:09
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Query: Reply: Also: No. Severian is not the Outsider, but an agent thereof. When Severian is "we" it is because, being the Conciliator, he has the gift/curse of actually bringin…
29 Dec 2000, 09:10
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Since we're marking time.... *Unbreakable* seems also a flicque that many on this list would enjoy. Don't expect it to be as remarkable as *Sixth Sense,* but to say much about …
17 Dec 2000, 15:47
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It has been a long time since I read this, but my take on it then was the it was to a large extent about perception. Note the title: Castle VIEW. The same objects are perceived in …
07 Dec 2000, 21:56
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Since we're all just guessing in the dark, here's mine: 1. Neither Silk nor Horn is Christ, but both are trying to be Christlike, so to speak. They occupy that position in the …
24 Nov 2000, 11:01
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. I know that many people Hmmm. Well, for me at least, this was the one thing that was crystal clear the first time I read it. (So, that makes me suspicious!!!) But, FWIW,…
13 Nov 2000, 22:35
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Nutria said: Just so. Good point. Nutricious…
06 Nov 2000, 18:30
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I think that's often true, and I wondered what kind of interview I'd get from him when I did it. But, he had been very forthright in letters to me previously, had thanked me warmly…
06 Nov 2000, 15:42
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I'm in the middle of moving my office --thousands of books -- and I cannot re-read *Peace* and engage this discussion. By the time I'm ready to, you'll be finished. So, just a …
02 Nov 2000, 18:08
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Sorry I wasn't clearer, Mantis. I was wondering if the two stories might take place in the same fictional world, as "The Changeling" does. Probably not, but then again.... I leav…
22 Oct 2000, 20:43
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I don't have the time to do this at all right now, but do you think there might be a link between Peace and "The Island of Dr. Death"? I'm thinking of Dr. Black here. Patera Nutri…
17 Oct 2000, 22:26
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I don't have the time to do this at all right now, but do you think there might be a link between Peace and "The Island of Dr. Death"? I'm thinking of Dr. Black here. Patera Nutri…
17 Oct 2000, 22:26
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----- Original Message ----- I take it you mean that on the one hand, House knows that going into the freezer is a bad idea, while on the other, House sees no alternative way …
17 Oct 2000, 22:23
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----- Original Message ----- I take it you mean that on the one hand, House knows that going into the freezer is a bad idea, while on the other, House sees no alternative way …
17 Oct 2000, 22:23
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----- Original Message ----- Two really good points. Thanx. Awww. You beat me to it, but I was going to write Anti-Santa! One more from me. A variety of bad as well as good char…
01 Sep 2000, 13:23
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I have no idea, other than once again an homage to Borges. Some things that come to me though, which may be totally offbase: Possibly this is another of Wolfe's "Christian" sto…
31 Aug 2000, 10:51
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You definitely had the idea before I did--I didn't read Long Sun until well after Exodus had been published (had to dodge spoilers on this list for a while). While I agree with Nu…
28 Aug 2000, 08:52
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There's so much in Wolfe that it would be a real shame to discuss only the theological aspects. I've tried to call attention to those aspects here, just as a matter of contributing…
22 Aug 2000, 22:14
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FWIW, I find the inhumi rather like Cordwainer Smith's underpeople in some ways. I don't think they represent the demonic realm in the symbolic substructure of the series; rather, …
22 Aug 2000, 22:10
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Welcome! Dunno much about duality. Mebbe just a way of having a "different world" and no more. Problem with Wolfe is that since so MUCH is significant, it is very easy to overread…
21 Aug 2000, 15:23
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Thanx. The discussion had gone way beyond your original short review! Usually, I'm just "Nutria," but since I am ordained, I thought "Patera" would be fun on occasion (and I thoug…
21 Aug 2000, 14:56
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It's always interesting to agree with Alga! I'll repeat what I wrote before, in case it did not get through: Being on a kind of continual fast is what Silk does. Now that Horn is i…
19 Aug 2000, 17:25
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The Oreb as Scylla theory has much to sustain it, but I'm inclined more to the Oreb as Kypris and also (thus) as Holy Spirit. The statement that Silk might move up to an administra…
19 Aug 2000, 17:25
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The appetite stuff is typical of Silk, though. He was always semi-fasting. I'd like to see some positive evidence for this thesis. The last line of the novel might be a clue, but …
16 Aug 2000, 00:52
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The same one and many is seen in the first paragraph of Nightside. I'd say that the Outsider comes with His retinue, which is the angels and the dead saints. But a hint of the tri…
10 Aug 2000, 18:50
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At 12:25 PM 6/15/2000 -0700, you wrote:> Fun discussion. Hmmm. The conversations in IGJ hint that at least 1000 years have passed since the asteroid left Urth system. Is "light ch…
10 Aug 2000, 10:12
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At the moment I'm on your side here. The fact that Silk is bleeding might mean that he had cut himself, but it might also mean he's been defending the house. Not only is Silk bleed…
10 Aug 2000, 10:02
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Yeah. I did not remember right. We aren't told what might have happened to Silk's soul. My guess is that he is dead. For Silk to die and to pass on his gifts to another in the proc…
10 Aug 2000, 09:49
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Yeah, you're probably right on both counts. That's what happens when you stay up too late and get inspired to write a post. I'm still inclined to think what I wrote may turn out t…
10 Aug 2000, 09:45
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I submit for your consideration that the secret is that men must die for the inhumi. They must learn to die for each other, but in this narrative, also to die for the inhumi. It's …
09 Aug 2000, 20:06
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Good point. Of course, as you note, Oreb talks. Also, there is a distance between reptiles and mammals that might figure in. Nutria *This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe'…
09 Aug 2000, 13:25
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A few thoughts. 1. The neighbor on Green switches the souls of Silk and Horn. That seemed clear to me. Horn knows he's in Silk's body, but his respect for Silk and his desire to …
09 Aug 2000, 11:14
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Perhaps this also: We cannot change ourselves. The Increate must do it to us. We must be acted upon by Him, which is what the New Sun and the Flood are all about. Only He can deliv…
10 Jul 2000, 10:40
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Well, it does not upset me. I'm not real cognizant of the "mellow and amused side of the drug culture" bit, so I have to rely on people who are to fill in the gaps in my perception…
30 Jun 2000, 14:08
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