Posted from 5 addresses as Marc Aramini, maa32, aramini1, marcaramini, A Aramini, Marc A Aramini, Marc
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Gerry just cleared it up! The sun overhead, of course, is the New Sun. Sev did it. (that's a joke, of course ... mostly a joke [mechanically if not actually])…
21 Nov 2011, 18:00
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maybe he's got a spare soul laying around in there? Most confusing.…
21 Nov 2011, 17:57
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I think it's when he says goodbye at the end of OBW, but chapter 8 is the second most pivotal event for me. :) (Both are final, somehow. Whether it be Babbie who reanimates Horn w…
21 Nov 2011, 17:56
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Those short stiff hairs got me thinking that maybe the long nosed spider fellow is some manifestation of Babbie. I need to look at short stiff hair on hands throughout the text. …
21 Nov 2011, 17:47
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I was just reading that and I realized the short stiff hairs there perfectly match the description of Babbie Hoof gives later when he brushes against his short stiff hairs in astra…
21 Nov 2011, 17:02
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--- On Sun, 11/20/11, James Wynn <crushtv at gmail.com> wrote: There isn't any except that I have to first buy in 100% to Marc's theory that humanity of Urth was devoured by t…
21 Nov 2011, 14:56
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No, you don't understand how I came to the tree apotheosis theory, it was a rigorous crossreferencing that took months almost a decade ago, and it wasn't composed in haste. I do …
20 Nov 2011, 20:03
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But Horn re-enacts Sevs flooding when he gets a light, a dark sword, and cleans out corpses to make way for a flood of purifying water. So how different are they, really?…
20 Nov 2011, 19:57
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What gets me is the points where the narrators ponder if they understand what they are saying: "I had to think about what I myself had just said ... it is possible no one understan…
20 Nov 2011, 19:56
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Well well well ... and Severian's fall in the ship on urth? his sacrifice in the temple of apupunchau? the themati drowning, the death by flower, did all these deaths and resurre…
20 Nov 2011, 19:52
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nah, she knows he's tree food.…
20 Nov 2011, 19:50
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so when the avern killed severian was that just a symbolic death too? Yes, I am an absolutist. Some folks are. I honstly think Gene is too, but of course, not eveeryone agrees w…
20 Nov 2011, 19:49
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Seawrack doesn't say I thought you were dead, she says, you were dead. This is why we will never ever ever read Wolfe the same way - you can dismiss these things as, Seawrack didn'…
20 Nov 2011, 19:43
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And if you insist there is nothing that could resurrect him after he dies, then we have been reading a very different series of books, my friend.…
20 Nov 2011, 19:32
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Also, she says, "dead things are food", which is kind of where my eaten thing comes in, with sharing blood to commune with neighbors, eucharist, etc. --- On Sun, 11/20/11, Marc Ar…
20 Nov 2011, 19:28
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Also Gerry, the quote in chapter 10, Seawrack says, "YOU WERE DEAD". I don't know how you can say there is no evidence that he was dead when it at least ambiguously says so.…
20 Nov 2011, 19:27
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Uhh ... the chapter is titled "the end" and it says "the best part of my life was oveer. The pit was its grave". In addition, doesn't she say he was dead? come on man there are at …
20 Nov 2011, 19:22
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Well, a few things. I DO see resemblances between the city of the inhumi and nessus, from the sewer to the "grove of disintegrating towers like a noble face rotting in the grave" …
20 Nov 2011, 19:07
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Also, I prefer to let the text do its talking, but please take a look at chapter 17 of rttw. I know Roy's objections: he believes the narrator who claims Babbie was asking for a w…
20 Nov 2011, 16:23
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Mostly gone, there is ALWAYS a residue after possession. Now Silk is the dominant personality, but for all intents and purpose he has said goodbye and is only a memory in Silk.…
20 Nov 2011, 15:48
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Okay, I have to step in here. I don't think they are entirely fairies in that they are the "next step of man" toward the hierogrammate evolution, so putting a primitive amorality …
20 Nov 2011, 15:46
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--- On Sat, 11/19/11, James Wynn <crushtv at gmail.com> wrote: From: James Wynn <crushtv at gmail.com> Subject: Re: (urth) Fwd: Babbiehorn?: Was: a sincere question mostly for ro…
19 Nov 2011, 20:54
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As far as the puppet toy, any chance that toy was really Silk's?…
19 Nov 2011, 16:42
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Yeah, but the nieghbors get permission to come back to Blue from the representative of humanity, that's the role Horn plays both there and later when he cuts through the mess of bo…
19 Nov 2011, 15:46
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ARE going, sorry. Somethings wrong with me lately.…
19 Nov 2011, 03:24
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heh heh. Well, we DO agree on some key things: a neighbor is born at the pit that is in some sense Horn, a new life form; that fava goes backwards to retrieve Hy's spirit (though …
19 Nov 2011, 03:23
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James, you and I see the story very differently. I think Horn sacrifices himself at the end of oBW when he goes into babbie.…
19 Nov 2011, 02:47
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James, I do think a young neighbor was born in the pit there, but that it is external to Horn, a double of Horn, with whom he later shakes hands. Perhaps an association with the N…
19 Nov 2011, 02:05
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I will try my best, this is kind of tough. Neighbors don't show up again until Horn falls in that Pit, and then after that he meets one that says, "my name is horn, too." I argue…
18 Nov 2011, 18:59
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we need new "seed" hide, not side, sorry. :(…
18 Nov 2011, 17:23
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That's because in the flashback scenes of OBW he's Horn, when he first gets moved into Silk's body he's Horn because Silk has suicided, when Pig? gets the eye Silver Silk is remove…
18 Nov 2011, 17:22
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The extensive discussion of corn color on the first chapter of OBW is indicative of hybridization. Crossing the strains to produce a hardier strains is creating a new species more…
18 Nov 2011, 17:18
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--- On Thu, 11/17/11, James Wynn <crushtv at gmail.com> wrote: Antonio, let me give you an example of the way I read Wolfe and you can see if it is useful to you as well. When …
18 Nov 2011, 02:44
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Horn, for some reason, is a very special case. I am pretty sure that normally that devouring was supposed to be fatal, but "something else" saved Horn there. that is something I …
18 Nov 2011, 00:59
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No not at all. The trees and lianas ate the blood of humanity and became neighbors and inhumi. The lianas got this power probably from the trees and feeding off them, cmoing close …
18 Nov 2011, 00:34
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NOT A PARODY. Does Wolfe mock his faith? It is a living out of the symbolic connotation, and the way that man will achieve life even after he has died as a race, living on as veg…
17 Nov 2011, 22:43
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Not following you here, James, in light of textual statements like, Pas wants a son to replace him (and does not a phallus represent the ability to MAKE AN OFFSPRING?)…
17 Nov 2011, 22:35
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You're killing me Dan'l. It's not that they grow up to be animals, its that they hybridize with a genetic template to survive and pass on the conjoined genetic material, something…
17 Nov 2011, 22:34
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17 Nov 2011, 19:12
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--- On Thu, 11/17/11, Gerry Quinn <gerry at bindweed.com> wrote: From: Gerry Quinn <gerry at bindweed.com> Subject: Re: (urth) Babbiehorn?: Was: a sincere question mostly for roy…
17 Nov 2011, 18:11
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I don't think a touch is sharing blood. But being consumed in a maw probably is. The island made of giant herbs strikes a feeling of forboding in Horn, remember. Can you prove a…
17 Nov 2011, 15:41
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I think it's when Krait dies, he sees the trees seemed to weep overhead, but I need to find it. The trees are there, though.…
17 Nov 2011, 15:39
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Also remember, when someone (not sure if it was Horn) dies on Green, it seems that the trees are weeping for his death. They are there to transport him.…
17 Nov 2011, 15:27
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How do you explain the doubling of Horn, the neighbor Horn who shakes his hand? My genetic template theorie is that Horn has been doubled there into a "double" limbed neighbor, bu…
17 Nov 2011, 15:23
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Just wanted to say I meant in the scene at the end of OBW near babbie we have a good-bye, the rest of those details are later in astral travel, obviously. sloppy sentence, sorry.…
17 Nov 2011, 15:20
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Just fading away is fine, but in that scene where he says good-bye, we have a reference to Babbie, a non-animal conglomeration spirit for Babbie, Babbie trying to communicate huh h…
17 Nov 2011, 15:18
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Silk tried to kill himself and "was not really there" in his own body. He was so distraught he tried to destroy his own spirit. At least that is the best explanation for why Horn…
17 Nov 2011, 15:03
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Yes, I'm saying its NOT at the pit the tone changes, its the last pages of OBW, read the final two chapters and Silk's personality emerges, after Horn says goodbye and sits under a…
16 Nov 2011, 22:47
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Antonio, we are talking about different scenes. The one where Horn is in the pit is the past, the one where he is already in Silk's body and sits under a tree at the end of OBW is…
16 Nov 2011, 20:13
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no, no. The part I am talking about at the end of OBW IS SIMULTANEOUS TO THE ACTION of writing. Horn in Silk's body is running out of paper and says good-bye, sits under a tree, …
16 Nov 2011, 20:11
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