Posted from 5 addresses as Marc Aramini, maa32, aramini1, marcaramini, A Aramini, Marc A Aramini, Marc
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--- On Sun, 10/16/11, David Stockhoff <dstockhoff at verizon.net> wrote: And never mind that we still don't know who Of course Wolfe would tell you the homoousios nature of Chri…
16 Oct 2011, 22:05
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Gerry tends to stray to absolute surface level interpretations, but I often agree with him that a well known myth will not agree in EVERY particular when mapped onto the story, as,…
16 Oct 2011, 19:30
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--- On Sun, 10/16/11, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes <danldo at gmail.com> wrote: <gerry at bindweed.com> heh heh heh heh heh Green Man? (the irony) (or, heme groups not being what they use…
16 Oct 2011, 18:06
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Marc wrote: ?He has his own agenda, this is why I can't lend any real credence in authorial intent in Typhon and Echidna as siblings?ARE to mapping myths onto the stories unless th…
16 Oct 2011, 15:28
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--- On Sun, 10/16/11, Gerry Quinn <gerry at bindweed.com> wrote: Why would Wolfe engage in a complicated, arbitrary, pointless scheme such as this? He is writing his own stor…
16 Oct 2011, 15:25
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--- On Sat, 10/15/11, Gerry Quinn <gerry at bindweed.com> wrote: From: David Stockhoff Surely these things are obvious? We know he had the technology, because the Whor…
15 Oct 2011, 10:34
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I just don't see how Robert and Mary can be a missionary reality and Jesus couldn't exist. It's like chewbacca living on endor. It don't make sense. So, yeah, for me, Christ is …
14 Oct 2011, 20:41
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--- On Fri, 10/14/11, Antonin Scriabin <kierkegaurdian at gmail.com> wrote: From: Antonin Scriabin <kierkegaurdian at gmail.com> Subject: Re: (urth) Urth-Earth links To: "The Urt…
14 Oct 2011, 20:08
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--- On Fri, 10/14/11, Antonin Scriabin <kierkegaurdian at gmail.com> wrote: So he is not so much a type of Christ, but a "type" of Redeemer / Savior. One might as well say that…
14 Oct 2011, 19:42
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--- On Fri, 10/14/11, Antonin Scriabin <kierkegaurdian at gmail.com> wrote: I was indeed brought up in a very religious household, with all of those things you mentioned; I did…
14 Oct 2011, 19:40
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--- On Fri, 10/14/11, Antonin Scriabin <kierkegaurdian at gmail.com> wrote: From: Antonin Scriabin <kierkegaurdian at gmail.com> Subject: Re: (urth) Urth - Earth links To: "The U…
14 Oct 2011, 19:30
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--- On Fri, 10/14/11, Antonin Scriabin <kierkegaurdian at gmail.com> wrote: When does Silk see Jesus? I vaguely remember something like that; perhaps in his meditations on the O…
14 Oct 2011, 19:24
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Most assuredly. Its where he got Woldercon for An Evil Guest. The sacrifice at the end may be more or less applicable to the sacrifice at the end of Wolfe's novel.…
14 Oct 2011, 18:48
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One more key point. While I think the solar cycle has Jesus, it's pretty clear that Wolfe wanted to play with a medieval world without Christianity dominating in the Wizard Knight…
14 Oct 2011, 18:46
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It's infinitely clear in New Sun that the Conciliator is a syncretic blend of a historical Christ and the legendary possibilities of his return, after-Christ, but it only becomes o…
14 Oct 2011, 18:41
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--- On Fri, 10/14/11, Gerry Quinn <gerry at bindweed.com> wrote: But Urth *is* saved, resurrected even. As for the personal salvation of its inhabitants, that is a matter betwe…
14 Oct 2011, 18:34
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--- On Fri, 10/14/11, Gerry Quinn <gerry at bindweed.com> wrote: Jesus existed in the universe of Urth — Silk has a vision of him entering Jerusalem on Palm Sunday. Yes, a…
14 Oct 2011, 18:26
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A really really quick point I wanted to make. The idea that everything in Severian's manuscript happened before our present time always felt like a slight retconning in that Jorda…
14 Oct 2011, 15:31
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I really liken Silk's position to Superman to some degree - Mr. Kent could say, you are my son, though not of my body. And Clark could say, you will always be my mom, martha. Exc…
13 Oct 2011, 18:50
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I still think Tussah is a father insofar as he put the embryo in his mistress' stomach, that's about it. I think that's enough to make Silk his son. I just don't get how the state…
13 Oct 2011, 18:47
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I know what you are saying about wolfean types of statements, I still think that's just talking about adoption in this particular case with the complete lack of physical similariti…
13 Oct 2011, 18:14
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It's been my experience he lies to everyone [except me, of course]. (That's a joke. I'm not really serious - he's a cagey and sly fellow but I think he is much more kind and trus…
13 Oct 2011, 15:21
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my previous post reminded me - is that skull underwater supposed to hint that Sev has been an eidolon from the very very beginning or what? I don't like the "Sev lives his normal …
13 Oct 2011, 15:16
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Because of his passive confidence in his memory, I'm not sure a lot of Severian's weird conclusions are correct. He's looking his father in the face and says nothing about it, but…
13 Oct 2011, 15:05
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Just one more thing I wanted to note. I always start with "themes" in any explication - the repetitive inclusion of ghost stories in Peace, for example, made a compelling pattern o…
13 Oct 2011, 13:29
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I trust Tussah's assertion at face value in a way I don't trust Silkhorn later because many of Silk's later statements about identity are born of either ignorance of denial. State…
13 Oct 2011, 04:14
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and two sets of parents just implies that they are visibly different, unless it's just doubling trickery, which I don't think is prevalent in that particular scene, though I don't …
13 Oct 2011, 04:07
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I'll respond to the rest later this week, I just wanted to say, baldness/hair pattern is one of those great genetic markers that cloning would, you know, match up if Silk/Tussah we…
13 Oct 2011, 04:02
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As far as James' discussion of the fathers of Silk, while no other father is mentioned, it is explicitly stated that one of them is who Lemur patterns himself after. Lemur pattern…
13 Oct 2011, 02:21
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They are what they eat/prey upon. After transmuted mankind/the vanished people leave Urth, just the reptiles and the trees and the lianas can survive there on Green, and the liana…
12 Oct 2011, 22:04
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The trees are NOT nonsentient. They are the observers of the eucharist scene. Neither are the vines that have fed from them nonsentient, having stolen something of their nature. (…
12 Oct 2011, 20:19
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Say it ain't so, Lee. Not the dreaded Inire is everybody theory because inire has an r and an e and so does everybody, and if you spell venial-body and connect it to Inire you can…
12 Oct 2011, 15:24
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--- On Wed, 10/12/11, Gerry Quinn <gerry at bindweed.com> wrote: From: Gerry Quinn <gerry at bindweed.com> Subject: Re: (urth) Silk's origin To: "The Urth Mailing List" <urth at …
12 Oct 2011, 15:03
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--- On Wed, 10/12/11, Daniel Petersen <danielottojackpetersen at gmail.com> wrote: Ha, ha, not yet, David! ?Wish I could help! Anybody heard whether Gene's gonna be able to …
12 Oct 2011, 14:58
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In my opinion, yes, and it also symbolically represents the doubled genetic nature of a hybrid strain (corn genetics in the first chapter of OBW and hybridization linked to the con…
12 Oct 2011, 14:52
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huh always wondered about that quote. So the prime stone? Not referring to the strange seal under the whorl with all those numbers?…
12 Oct 2011, 03:30
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--- On Tue, 10/11/11, Tim O'Donnell <timodonn at gmail.com> wrote: From: Tim O'Donnell <timodonn at gmail.com> Subject: (urth) Typhon's Nature To: urth at lists.urth.net Date: Tu…
12 Oct 2011, 02:07
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No, no, no. The liana vines are primitive inhumi, the natural state of inhumi without blood. They parasitized the ability to recombine their genome from the much more mystical tr…
12 Oct 2011, 01:55
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the dream sequences equate Mamelta/Kypris/Mother and conflate Hy and Kypris (explicated through possession) as well. The blue eyes of Mamelta (and Kypris) and Silk certainly conne…
10 Oct 2011, 20:21
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Yes they are, Gerry. Then we simply accept we don't meet his parents. If they weren't explicable otherwise, it would be immediately obvious.…
09 Oct 2011, 22:07
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If you look up some older threads, one was titled "Mamelta is Kypris", and there should be one titled "the summary for the case of Silk as a clone of Typhon" or something. The tex…
09 Oct 2011, 21:34
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heh heh heh heh heh heh. Silk as clone of Typhon/natural son of Typhon; Typhon as otherwise normal but gifted urthling; Typhon from the Short Sun system; Whorl as cosmic Ark that …
09 Oct 2011, 18:51
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Yeah, probably not going to get a definitive answer. Some (who could they be?) think he was there all along, because, according to at least one inhumi in short sun, "we are everywh…
19 Sep 2011, 18:27
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Thanks all for the interesting responses. I wanted to elaborate on this really quickly, because something like this happened. I will reply off list in the future since this is ex…
07 Aug 2011, 14:54
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I wonder how many readers of Wolfe are intrinsically slanted to the left. This is way off topic so the rest of this post can be ignored by any except the curious, I am intrigued …
07 Aug 2011, 06:41
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You mean Brand or less probably Erik, not Random, right? Random's a pretty decent guy as far as Amber goes ... :)…
06 Aug 2011, 03:17
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Yeah, the best villainous fellows are captured in film: Kronos in highlander with his distorted musketeer mentality, breeding a virus to nonsensically destroy everything, or someon…
05 Aug 2011, 21:28
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--- On Wed, 8/3/11, Lane Haygood <lhaygood at gmail.com> wrote: From: Lane Haygood <lhaygood at gmail.com> Subject: Re: (urth) Round 2 of NPR top 100 sci-fi books of all time To:…
04 Aug 2011, 04:49
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You know, I liked a lot of these but inexplicably I absolutely hated Anathem, i honestly thought it was one of the worst books I ever read, and I liked Snow Crash, Diamond Age, and…
04 Aug 2011, 03:26
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I meant the gathering OF its subtle but sinister loss below, and, of course, Avram Davidson. Sorry.…
03 Aug 2011, 01:56
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