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You keep trying to put words in my mouth that I never said, or even implied. What I actually said, a week ago, was: In both posts I said that Marble lied. I said she lied because …
04 Dec 2002, 23:26
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Hint: Hammerstone was a soldier; Viron was at war. Marble was captured and placed aboard the airship, along with Silk. She never saw Hammerstone after that, because she went on th…
04 Dec 2002, 19:40
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Dan'l quoted: "EXACTLY" would take some serious establishing. I accept it as likely, though; it seems to suit the situation.<< I would add that Sev's "drowning" in the Gyoll obvi…
03 Dec 2002, 23:05
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To go from Marble's notion of abandonment to the destruction of a child requires a leap in logic that leaves me in the dust. I can only conclude that . . . hell, I don't know what …
03 Dec 2002, 21:29
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One of the problems with making a personal timeline for Free (that is, one made from his viewpoint), is Wolfe's first entry in the chronology at the end of the book. It states that…
03 Dec 2002, 07:00
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I probably shouldn't even ask, but **where, in or out of the whorl, did you get such an idea???** Sure, he met her, but not at Sun Street. Moly didn't work at a cenoby. She was a …
03 Dec 2002, 03:54
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One more time. Yes, Silk was clueless. So was Mint (see below). None of them knew, then, that the Ayuntamiento was composed of chems, or of Tarsier's engineering abilities, abiliti…
02 Dec 2002, 19:44
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I'm going to try to work out a personal chronology for Whitten/Free from the time he set up camp at the Magic Carpet until his death. I think we're roughly in agreement on the basi…
02 Dec 2002, 07:50
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I originally posted the following about twelve hours ago, but it never showed up. My apologies if it should now turn up twice on the list. -------------------------------- When Ba…
01 Dec 2002, 04:50
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There is a great deal of humor in FLF, as in CASTLEVIEW, but what is to be made of the last line of the book? That line is particularly disconcerting, given its antecedent in chapt…
29 Nov 2002, 06:22
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I didn't miss it. Silk is a 23-year old mama's boy, a year-and-a-half out of the seminary. His ignorance is encyclopedic. At that point in the story he thinks old-time pictures and…
28 Nov 2002, 02:51
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I don't see why you're hung up on the one-hand-or-two angle. Marble took both of Rose's hands, but even one hand that looks like an old woman's hand suffices to establish that it d…
27 Nov 2002, 08:49
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Marble did get both her hands from Rose. Rose didn't receive all her prosthetics at the same time, that's all; she would have scared the hell out of that boy if she had. Much of he…
26 Nov 2002, 19:46
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Ah. It's from when Marble was killing Musk, LS3: 3. "Her hands, the bony blue-veined hands of an elderly bio, glowed crimson in the flames." As for the rest . . . I'll save it for…
26 Nov 2002, 06:09
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I wasn't really prepared for this, but . . . I think all that Free meant was that he was literally too old and sick to derive any benefit from using the gizmo again; after all, th…
26 Nov 2002, 06:08
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Crush quotes and writes: The fact remains that, regardless of who paid for the parts, Rose was "largely prosthetic" when she died. All things feminine were deliberately and active…
23 Nov 2002, 04:56
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Crush asks: Exactly. She was in her mid-to-late forties when she got that hand and arm. (Blood was born when she was forty; she lost touch with the foster mother when Blood was ni…
22 Nov 2002, 00:18
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I don't understand the confusion. The only passage I can find where Marble/Rose speaks of "reclaimed" parts is in CALDE, chapter 10, where she is speaking to Blood. Each "me", "I" …
21 Nov 2002, 09:22
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Good point. I, too, recall that the ship had been in orbit for several decades, but can't remember where in the text that information is found. In any event, we are given that Quet…
19 Nov 2002, 06:24
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Dan'l quoted: it seems to me that the common factor between Jonas and Jolenta -- aside from their names beginning with the syllable "Jo" -- would consist in their both having an a…
18 Nov 2002, 20:21
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You have to go back to SWORD for the answer (chapter XXV). Typhon speaking: "It was a period of great confusion as well. My astronomers had told me that this sun's activity would …
18 Nov 2002, 19:45
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Thanks for taking the question. I would only add that, in the wake of Einstein's (and other's) theories, such theoretical considerations spawned someone to pen a limerick several g…
18 Nov 2002, 19:09
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A quibble about the Claw: it has been suggested often before that the Claw (or Sev) worked by reaching back in time to a point before whatever malady it was being used to remedy ha…
18 Nov 2002, 06:47
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Silkhorn speaking: "As for me, I have walked with them, and sat with them around their fire. Thus I know that they exist. They have gone elsewhere--found a new home circling anothe…
17 Nov 2002, 18:37
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Let us posit--strictly for the sake of argument--that Blue is Ushas. How does that affect the overall picture Wolfe has drawn in the 12 SUN books? That is, is it consonant with the…
17 Nov 2002, 09:11
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Welcome, Chris I agree that FTL travel for the _Whorl_ is very doubtful. Anyway, the usual take on FTL ships is that they travel *backwards* in time. Therefore the arrival of the …
17 Nov 2002, 09:11
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Rather than argue the nuts-and-bolts, let me address the thematic objections. As you acknowledge, the galaxy had been conquered long ago by the First Empire. The effect of Urth bei…
16 Nov 2002, 05:48
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the universe causes the brain abnormality or heightened consciousness that allows Silk a communion with the Outsider - he has re-entered time - perhaps Pas planned it so that when …
15 Nov 2002, 21:01
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and makes it real by manifesting himself in her past. In a way, it's kind of Philip K. Dickish - Silk's dreams affect the past. Reality depends on his mind. Perhaps he is a bit …
13 Nov 2002, 07:49
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Don Doggett: First of all, I would like to welcome you to the list, if I may so presume. Whether I agree with your theories or not, I like your style and ability to express yoursel…
12 Nov 2002, 09:21
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The Correct, the gizmo was built into the back (kitchen) door of his house. Note the morning glories visible outside that door when he swept the kitchen floor near the beginning o…
10 Nov 2002, 07:35
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Joe wrote: [snip] purposes of the gods in Mainframe really is. Scylla is portrayed as having many arms -- Why, when obviously she didn't on Urth. So, why?<< [snip] Typhon's fir…
09 Nov 2002, 19:48
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It's a bug!! Yes, and that's the problem! "The face--the face!", as he put it. "The face would be lost, and it is the face that men are accustomed to obey!" To his way of thinking…
09 Nov 2002, 05:20
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No, he doesn't. Having been blind from birth, the scan of Tartaros is limited by the biological abilities of the brain he was born with. Knowledge he acquired after birth becomes …
08 Nov 2002, 20:18
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IIRC, past ages of Urth were marked by the depletion of some natural resource, e.g., copper, uranium, etc., or am I confusing some other book with the NS? IIRC, then much of Urth's…
08 Nov 2002, 05:24
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Sorry. It was a common Christian perception I wrote of, not mine. I have no preference among religions. Yes, and this brings up some interesting questions about exactly when, wher…
07 Nov 2002, 20:43
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Regretfully, I think I started this whole Gnosticism/Demiurge debate a few weeks ago with my irreverent Whorl/Genesis comparison. Mea culpa. I am trying very hard to stay out of it…
05 Nov 2002, 21:56
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Ranjit has all of the old urth/whorl archive digests viewable "as one very large file" working now. Yeah! Download away. -Roy…
02 Nov 2002, 22:55
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[snip] I take it that we agree that Kate never kept a diary? Let me see if I understand you correctly. I don't understand your emphasis on the importance of the tryst, but we agr…
01 Nov 2002, 21:11
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Interesting slip you made there; I wonder if alga appreciates it? <g> -Roy…
01 Nov 2002, 17:53
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Kate never read from the diary; Lois did. Kate *couldn't* have read from the diary for some very good reasons, chief of which is the fact that *the diary didn't exist until Lou Gol…
01 Nov 2002, 09:43
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Like mantis, I don't think Weer murdered her, and the way the text reads doesn't seem to indicate that he killed her accidentally, either. She told him why she had the gun *after* …
01 Nov 2002, 09:43
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Kate really met Quantrill? The "bearded man" in the sectioned-off text on page 195 is presumably Quantrill. I don't know why it isn't written from the first-person point of view, a…
31 Oct 2002, 03:08
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Other than age, I don't see that the two girls have much in common. Doris is ostensibly an orphan; Sherry is not. Doris has "victim" written all over her, whereas Sherry is anythin…
31 Oct 2002, 00:51
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Correct. But, according to the web site mantis found, the Bell Witch was never buried, so there never was a tombstone. Margaret was just putting Den on. Not to mention that Roberts…
30 Oct 2002, 20:43
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In the further cause of pedantry, I should point out that there doesn't seem to have been a coffin, any more than there had been a strongbox. The text reads: "My shovel had struck …
30 Oct 2002, 20:15
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My senility is getting worse; I don't remember volunteering for anything! <g> However, if I've been dragooned . . . Halfheartedly I parry: didn't Wolfe write somewhere that PEACE …
30 Oct 2002, 04:52
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She's referring, I believe, to Peacock's question in the preceding paragraph. Answering his question, actually, which was: "Do you think Alden here realizes that this is the oldest…
29 Oct 2002, 08:11
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The two "facts" were the two you alleged and which I quoted. These two: "The fact that Poppy lied about knowing him shows that she, like Musk, is a Trivigaunte spy." and ""Civet" i…
28 Oct 2002, 20:41
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Thanks, Mark. -Roy…
28 Oct 2002, 20:38
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