Juturna (and nenuphars)

Tristan Davenport · 09 Apr 2006, 18:02 · from 2006-April.txt.gz

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From: tristan_davenport at hotmail.com (Tristan Davenport)
Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 11:02:23 -0700
Subject: (urth) Juturna (and nenuphars)
In-Reply-To: <20060409095349.91346.qmail at web54207.mail.yahoo.com>
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>Why are these plants the image of "the death of the
>sun" anyway? "glossy, pale leaves and azure flower."

There are references throughout the NS books to the paleness of the plants; 
presumably the dying sun is not bright enough to stimulate chlorophyll 
production.  This is contrasted with the rich green of plants under a 
healthy sun.  So by the very fact of their glossy paleness, the nenuphars 
reflect the dying of the sun.  Then I suppose there's the metaphorical 
meaning of their role in Sev's near-drowning.  (Question: Why are the plants 
on Urth pale, while those on the moon apparently quite green?)

                             Tristan
                             tristan_davenport at hotmail.com




>From: nastler <nastler at yahoo.dk>
>Reply-To: The Urth Mailing List <urth at lists.urth.net>
>To: The Urth Mailing List <urth at lists.urth.net>
>Subject: Re: (urth) Juturna (and nenuphars)
>Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 11:53:49 +0200 (CEST)
>
>Roy,
>
>I don't think I have understand the problem with this.
> >From Juturnas POV she meets Sev in the throne room and
>he makes his "prophesy" that she will save him from
>drowning in Gyoll. She searchs "backwards" through his
>life and meets Sev at the sand bank where (among other
>things) she mentions that it was (will be) her that
>saves him from the weeds. When she reaches the moment
>where the nenuphars attempt to drown the NS she saves
>him.
>
>Why are these plants the image of "the death of the
>sun" anyway? "glossy, pale leaves and azure flower."
>"black roots as fine and strong as hair, reaching down
>into the dark waters". What forces are represented by
>these plants? Why do they wish to drown the sun? Would
>they not thrive in a sunnier Ushas? Are they
>non-terrestrial? I think they must be. They are
>"weeds" after all. They have roots reaching into dark
>waters, but are opposed by the Undines. Who can clear
>this up?
>
>nastler
>
>--- "Roy C. Lackey" <rclackey at stic.net> skrev:
>
> > Just to muddy the waters a little more . . . earlier
> > I wrote:
> >
> > >Back in the throne room, Sev had asked her if she
> > remembered saving him
> > when
> > >he was a boy: "No. It hasn't yet occurred. It will,
> > because you spoke."
> > >(306) Very curious. Sev's pronouncement thus became
> > a prophesy. The New Sun
> > >and the flood were established facts as she spoke
> > before the throne, she
> > >knew for a fact that Sev would succeed in bringing
> > the New Sun, yet she
> > came
> > >there to save him anyway that day if she could
> > *and* she would see to it
> > >that she saved him from drowning in *her* future,
> > which was *his* past. It
> > >seems to me that she succeeded on both counts.
> >
> > The meeting in the throne room with Juturna was the
> > third for Sev. The
> > second meeting was at the Cephissus river, when she
> > tried to seduce him. At
> > that time she mentioned having previously saved him
> > from drowning among the
> > clotted weeds in the Gyoll. Ergo, since from her
> > perspective there in the
> > throne room she had yet to save him from drowning in
> > the Gyoll, for her the
> > meeting at the Cephissus cannot have happened yet,
> > either.
> >
> > Yet she seems to know Sev. If that meeting in the
> > throne room was not her
> > first, when could she have known him earlier, if not
> > from their coming
> > encounter (coming from Sev's point of view) after
> > the flood?
> >
> > -Roy
> >
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