Sleeping Baldanders

Bruce Hayles · 29 Dec 2008, 20:46 · from 2008-December.txt.gz

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From: brucehayles at gmail.com (Bruce Hayles)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 15:46:09 -0500
Subject: (urth) Sleeping Baldanders
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Craig, that was exactly my understanding of it too. I don't have the book
with me, but I remember Severian saying something that indicates that that
is also his interpretation.

On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 2:35 PM, Craig Brewer <cnbrewer at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Not sure about the rest, but I assume that "You -- strike off" has to do
> with Severian "striking off" peoples' heads.
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Matt Teel <adeodatus43 at yahoo.com>
> *To:* The Urth Mailing List <urth at lists.urth.net>
> *Sent:* Monday, December 29, 2008 1:12:06 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: (urth) Sleeping Baldanders
>
> Hm, now that is interesting, Witz.  Maybe if we combine this with Bruce's
> observation that Baldanders' hormones may be playing with his personality,
> and Dave's observation that he's only pretending to be asleep and is
> actually awake, we may get at the root of this enigmatic little scene.
>
> Matt
>
> --- On *Mon, 12/29/08, Son of Witz <sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org>* wrote:
>
> From: Son of Witz <sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org>
> Subject: Re: (urth) Sleeping Baldanders
> To: "The Urth Mailing List" <urth at lists.urth.net>
> Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 5:27 PM
>
> On Dec 29, 2008, at 5:39 AM, brunians at brunians.org wrote:
>
> >> I'm wondering about the short section in Chapter XV
> ("Baldanders"), in
> >> which Baldanders seems to be talking in his sleep.  Severian is half
> awake
> >> and responding to what he thinks Baldanders is saying.  Any thoughts
> on
> >> what's really going on there?
> >>
> >> Baldanders says four things: (1) Never."  (2)
> "Baldanders."  (3)
> >> "You--strike off."  (4) "Tomorrow, then."
> >>
> >> The scene is obviously meant to accomplish something, but I can't
> figure
> >> out what.  Severian's answers
>  simply recap things that have
> already been
> >> established, but I can't believe Wolfe just wanted to make sure we
> knew
> >> that Severian had been tossed out of the guild and is headed toward
> Thrax,
> >> or whatever.  So, any ideas?
> >
> > He wanted to make sure we knew that Baldanders knew.
>
>
> Knew that he was the New Sun to be?
>
> something like
> (you, the New Sun) "Never"
> (the New Sun will be ) "Baldanders"
> "You--strike off." (Get the hell out of here)
> "Tomorrow, then." (we will dispute this another day)
>
>
> something like that?
>
> ~witz
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