Sleeping Baldanders

Paul B · 29 Dec 2008, 21:48 · from 2008-December.txt.gz

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From: pb.stuff at gmail.com (Paul B)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 16:48:58 -0500
Subject: (urth) Sleeping Baldanders
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I haven't kept track or anything, but I'd be willing to entertain the notion
that Severian is wrong more than half of the time in his interpretations of
events.
The issue of Baldanders' inconsistent behavior could also be explained (as I
explained it to myself) by "incredible hulk" syndrome.  When he gets upset
(as when he charged the audience or fought Severian) he flies into a rage,
but is analytical otherwise.

Paul


On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 3:46 PM, Bruce Hayles <brucehayles at gmail.com> wrote:

> Craig, that was exactly my understanding of it too. I don't have the book
> with me, but I remember Severian saying something that indicates that that
> is also his interpretation.
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 2:35 PM, Craig Brewer <cnbrewer at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Not sure about the rest, but I assume that "You -- strike off" has to do
>> with Severian "striking off" peoples' heads.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Matt Teel <adeodatus43 at yahoo.com>
>> *To:* The Urth Mailing List <urth at lists.urth.net>
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 29, 2008 1:12:06 PM
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: (urth) Sleeping Baldanders
>>
>>  Hm, now that is interesting, Witz.  Maybe if we combine this with
>> Bruce's observation that Baldanders' hormones may be playing with his
>> personality, and Dave's observation that he's only pretending to be asleep
>> and is actually awake, we may get at the root of this enigmatic little
>> scene.
>>
>> Matt
>>
>> --- On *Mon, 12/29/08, Son of Witz <sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org>* wrote:
>>
>> From: Son of Witz <sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org>
>> Subject: Re: (urth) Sleeping Baldanders
>> To: "The Urth Mailing List" <urth at lists.urth.net>
>> Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 5:27 PM
>>
>> On Dec 29, 2008, at 5:39 AM, brunians at brunians.org wrote:
>>
>> >> I'm wondering about the short section in Chapter XV
>> ("Baldanders"), in
>> >> which Baldanders seems to be talking in his sleep.  Severian is half
>> awake
>> >> and responding to what he thinks Baldanders is saying.  Any thoughts
>>
>> on
>> >> what's really going on there?
>> >>
>> >> Baldanders says four things: (1) Never."  (2)
>> "Baldanders."  (3)
>> >> "You--strike off."  (4) "Tomorrow, then."
>>
>> >>
>> >> The scene is obviously meant to accomplish something, but I can't
>> figure
>> >> out what.  Severian's answers
>>  simply recap things that have
>> already been
>> >> established, but I can't believe Wolfe just wanted to make sure we
>> knew
>> >> that Severian had been tossed out of the guild and is headed toward
>>
>> Thrax,
>> >> or whatever.  So, any ideas?
>> >
>> > He wanted to make sure we knew that Baldanders knew.
>>
>>
>> Knew that he was the New Sun to be?
>>
>> something like
>> (you, the New Sun) "Never"
>>
>> (the New Sun will be ) "Baldanders"
>> "You--strike off." (Get the hell out of here)
>> "Tomorrow, then." (we will dispute this another day)
>>
>>
>> something like that?
>>
>> ~witz
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