Nazca Lines

brunians at brunians.org · 24 Jul 2010, 17:42 · from 2010-July.txt.gz

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From: brunians at brunians.org (brunians at brunians.org)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 13:42:39 -0400
Subject: (urth) Nazca Lines
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As I mentioned, it is controversial.

I am well aware, thank you, of the history of the controversy.

If you have any knowledge about this - you personally - I would be more
than happy to hear what you have to say.

.


>
> From all I've read, the idea that the city is a port seems to be based on
> little. It was first proposed by Posnansky in the 40's but the evidence is
> far from conclusive. Some of his assumptions have actually been disputed
> by more recent geomorphological studies.
>
>
>
> This links resume well some of the evidence:
>
>
>
> http://members.cox.net/pyrophyllite/Tiwanaku.html
>
>
>
> It also seems that the actual lake port was at Iwawe, which was connected
> by road to Tiwanaku (according to Browman, 1981).
>
>
>
> I don't know, but I don't see conclusive evidence for stating that the
> city was built as a pot at all.
>
>
>
> Also, the city is about 10-12 km from the lake.
>
>
>
>> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 13:31:44 -0400
>> From: brunians at brunians.org
>> To: urth at lists.urth.net
>> Subject: Re: (urth) Nazca Lines
>>
>> Because they built it that way.
>>
>> Perhaps I do not understand you.
>>
>> .
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Why is it a port?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Pedro
>> >
>> >> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 08:10:28 -0400
>> >> From: brunians at brunians.org
>> >> To: urth at lists.urth.net
>> >> Subject: Re: (urth) Nazca Lines
>> >>
>> >> > Of course, head chopping is just about everywhere---Celtic Europe,
>> >>
>> >> And if the story were set in Europe, that would be something to say.
>> >>
>> >> > for
>> >> > example. But yes, it fits neatly.
>> >>
>> >> > One minor problem with a South American location is that those
>> signs
>> >> are
>> >> > almost eternal, and they would always be famous around the region.
>> But
>> >> > if they lie under water (or ice), or if 20,000 years pass, that
>> might
>> >> > solve the problem.
>> >>
>> >> As all here should be aware, there is a longstanding controversy over
>> >> the
>> >> dates of Tiahuanaco or whatever they are calling it these days.
>> >>
>> >> The construction of this city is remarkably advanced.
>> >>
>> >> It is modular: like modern concrete block construction, although of
>> >> course
>> >> the units used are different.
>> >>
>> >> The city is a port.
>> >>
>> >> The last time the lake was anywhere near it - as in, within a hundred
>> >> miles - was twelve thousand years ago or so.
>> >>
>> >> .
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Lee Berman wrote:
>> >> >> I was just watching a National Geographic special on the mystery
>> >> >> of the gigantic, many kilometers-long Nazca desert drawings in
>> >> >> southern Peru. I thought about the Sun series, mostly because they
>> >> did a
>> >> >> lot of re-enactment with local, native actors and it made me think
>> of
>> >> >> Apu-Punchau, as this is pretty much his territory.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The general anthropological conclusion is that these people
>> resorted
>> >> >> to massive head-chopping sacrifices and probably ever
>> increased-sized
>> >> >> line
>> >> >> drawings to influence the weather. The area spent several hundred
>> >> >> years as a rather verdant, well-watered place allowing a thriving
>> >> >> culture to establish itself. Then the desert started relentlessly
>> >> >> asserting
>> >> >> itself. They tried in vain to placate the gods with more intense
>> >> >> religious
>> >> >> expressions each year as they realized the previous year's head
>> chop
>> >> >> sacrifices and line drawing were not sufficient to please the
>> >> deities.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The research conclusions are too recent to have influenced Wolfe
>> to
>> >> >> create
>> >> >> Urth with its dying sun or The Whorl and its progressive drought.
>> But
>> >> >> perhaps the South American native propensity for head chopping had
>> an
>> >> >> impact
>> >> >> on him.
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