Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 13:42:39 -0400
From: brunians at brunians.org
To: urth at lists.urth.net
Subject: Re: (urth) Nazca Lines
As I mentioned, it is controversial.
I am well aware, thank you, of the history of the controversy.
If you have any knowledge about this - you personally - I would be more than happy to hear what you have to say.
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From all I've read, the idea that the city is a port seems to be based on little. It was first proposed by Posnansky in the 40's but the evidence is far from conclusive. Some of his assumptions have actually been disputed by more recent geomorphological studies.
This links resume well some of the evidence:
http://members.cox.net/pyrophyllite/Tiwanaku.html
It also seems that the actual lake port was at Iwawe, which was connected by road to Tiwanaku (according to Browman, 1981).
I don't know, but I don't see conclusive evidence for stating that the city was built as a pot at all.
Also, the city is about 10-12 km from the lake.
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 13:31:44 -0400
From: brunians at brunians.org
To: urth at lists.urth.net
Subject: Re: (urth) Nazca Lines
Because they built it that way.
Perhaps I do not understand you.
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Why is it a port?
Pedro
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 08:10:28 -0400
From: brunians at brunians.org
To: urth at lists.urth.net
Subject: Re: (urth) Nazca Lines
Of course, head chopping is just about everywhere---Celtic Europe,
And if the story were set in Europe, that would be something to say.
for
example. But yes, it fits neatly.
One minor problem with a South American location is that those signs are almost eternal, and they would always be famous around the region.
But
if they lie under water (or ice), or if 20,000 years pass, that might solve the problem.
As all here should be aware, there is a longstanding controversy over the dates of Tiahuanaco or whatever they are calling it these days.
The construction of this city is remarkably advanced.
It is modular: like modern concrete block construction, although of course the units used are different.
The city is a port.
The last time the lake was anywhere near it - as in, within a hundred miles - was twelve thousand years ago or so.
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Lee Berman wrote:
I was just watching a National Geographic special on the mystery of the gigantic, many kilometers-long Nazca desert drawings in southern Peru. I thought about the Sun series, mostly because they did a lot of re-enactment with local, native actors and it made me think of Apu-Punchau, as this is pretty much his territory.
The general anthropological conclusion is that these people resorted to massive head-chopping sacrifices and probably ever increased-sized line drawings to influence the weather. The area spent several hundred years as a rather verdant, well-watered place allowing a thriving culture to establish itself. Then the desert started relentlessly asserting itself. They tried in vain to placate the gods with more intense religious expressions each year as they realized the previous year's head chop sacrifices and line drawing were not sufficient to please the deities.
The research conclusions are too recent to have influenced Wolfe to create Urth with its dying sun or The Whorl and its progressive drought.
But
perhaps the South American native propensity for head chopping had an impact on him.
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