Oannes
James Wynn · 20 Mar 2012, 18:54
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From: crushtv at gmail.com (James Wynn) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 13:54:57 -0500 Subject: (urth) Oannes In-Reply-To: <CAM0v-i4Jp0en-Ee0oW-9rTXBzHDiN0-qqQw8C7s5y_UvWFRLWA at mail.gmail.com> References: <SNT123-W412E366DE07DE6FBA5D279CF430 at phx.gbl> <553CBB46F53E4B35B509D5D607D1F61C@Rover> <CAM0v-i4TuCgSXTxC3CM=bXaiLSZNjftxLqMBN9hfeRg=KooB0A at mail.gmail.com> <4F68BEDA.6000605 at gmail.com> <CAM0v-i4Jp0en-Ee0oW-9rTXBzHDiN0-qqQw8C7s5y_UvWFRLWA at mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F68D281.30908 at gmail.com> On 3/20/2012 12:42 PM, Antonin Scriabin wrote: > In that case, the statement "The same way that one group of humans > could have a better grasp of science, or economics, or poker," isn't > true at all, because we don't advance in our understanding of these > subjects by revelation. > > "Third person omniscience" doesn't exist in real life; is it possible > that Silk is delusional, and that his theophany was some combination > of hallucination and wishful thinking? I think so. We are reading, > after all, a sort of belated account written by Horn, right? What I > am getting at is that there is no narrator that arbitrates experiences > here on earth (religious or otherwise), and can tell outside observers > (like Wolfe tells the reader in /Long Sun/) whether or not someone has > experienced a revelation. So you agree with Crane. Actually, Crane could be right about the brain aneurism and yet Silk's experiences with the Outsider could still be 100% valid. Remember that Latro's ability as a bridge between the divine and the mundane is precipitated by a wound to the head. Someone tells him that his wound is actually a curse-blessing from Demeter. I'm saying that perhaps a physical change in Silk's brain is exactly how the Outsider opened him up to communicate with him. Crane sees it as damage, but the Outsider understands it as a modification. Again, in the Latro books, Io compares (I believe) the gods to characters in a play. The actors are all wearing masks but the characters in the play (the gods) are not aware of it. Even so, the Whorl gods are not aware that by their presumption, they have become a mask for the Outsider. I think this is a similar theme presented in "A Toy Theater" in people go to see a puppet show but it turns out that THEY are in the show...the puppeteer and the audience and the narrator are all puppets. That said, the implication in all this is that Wolfe the author believes there IS an actor behind the mask, a puppeteer pulling the strings, an Outsider subsuming the powers of the Whorl. J. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.urth.net/pipermail/urth-urth.net/attachments/20120320/6fc13c3a/attachment.htm>
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