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From: James Wynn Perhaps Silk is right about Oreb jumping down to the kitchen garden. Or perhaps there is some other explanation for what he saw (seemingly a bird, behind a curt…
17 Nov 2011, 00:44
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From: Larry Miller Maybe the fish that ate Mamelta. Other than that, I can’t think of any candidates. - Gerry Quinn…
16 Nov 2011, 22:49
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From: J Jankiewicz As I understand it they are messengers from the gods/Mainframe. They are used to convey instructions to the Cargo, and sometimes to travel between the Poles (ca…
16 Nov 2011, 22:20
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From: James Wynn From: James Wynn I’m just saying that there is no indication that they are together. Which is very odd, if your time travelling explanation has any validit…
16 Nov 2011, 20:07
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From: James Wynn Is she? Mucor, Pike and Oreb appear at roughly the same time and place, but no one of them is actually “with” any other. Silk wakes up and sees Oreb hop out the…
16 Nov 2011, 18:29
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From: James Wynn <Sigh> She follows him around and helps him — you did notice that, I trust? I’ve endeavoured to explain her motivations, but regardless of her motivations her a…
16 Nov 2011, 17:54
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From: David Stockhoff Hard to know, but I don’t see her appearance in the bedroom as so anomalous compared to her other manifestations, which are really rather various — her repe…
16 Nov 2011, 17:14
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From: James Wynn It’s not very different, surely? The main difference is that she is not said to be transparent in the first episode, but maybe that’s because it’s brighter in t…
16 Nov 2011, 16:58
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From: James Wynn I agree. But does Mucor go to sleep when initiating her brand of out-of-body travel? That statement is truly absurd, as I am making it, having read many. And …
16 Nov 2011, 16:36
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From: Lee Berman It is hard to digest an observation like this coming from you, given your regular posts about the allegedly nefarious machinations or motivations of posters such…
16 Nov 2011, 16:20
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From: Ant?nio Pedro Marques Doesn’t everyone? Silk/Horn (he seems to be mostly Silk at this point) remembers the incident. He says he’s not ashamed of how he lived his “lives”…
16 Nov 2011, 16:16
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From: James Wynn This may seem a minor nit, but the Mucor who stands over Silk is described as “skeletally thin”. On Blue Horn notes that she is still thin, but not as thin as s…
16 Nov 2011, 13:31
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From: Lee Berman Soldiers, at least, are said to have a nuclear fusion power source. And Crane says that isotopes are released when a chem blows, not specifying the type of chem,…
14 Nov 2011, 14:12
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From: Jeff Wilson Two different issues here. The first is what the poet means by “noose of light” and the second is the question of whether the Sun is actually present, or to wh…
14 Nov 2011, 13:28
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From: David Stockhoff I recall him saying “Sure, Plutonium” a couple of times... didn’t notice who he was saying it to. I took it as just a thing he said, kind of like “Sure, bo…
14 Nov 2011, 00:56
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From: David Stockhoff I said “if the poem had referred to the sword”. Nothing about whether it is referred to as being used to attack a tower, or being used for anything at all.…
14 Nov 2011, 00:52
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From: David Stockhoff Sure, call me illiterate - and then get all butt-hurt when I question a vein of criticism that blames the artist for failing to include the metaphors deemed…
13 Nov 2011, 19:29
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From: James Wynn On 11/13/2011 7:40 AM, Gerry Quinn wrote: From: James Wynn The “noose of light” around the turret is reflected sunlight. It’s not exactly a conventional mir…
13 Nov 2011, 14:48
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From: James Wynn So you don’t agree that it’s possible to see something in a mirror, or in general by its reflection? <Shrug> We’re discussing Fitzgerald’s poem, not classic…
13 Nov 2011, 13:40
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From: James Wynn Answered in my previous post. The rising Sun *is* in a real sense visible in the poem. Unlike Orion. When have I ever objected to metaphor? What I look for, …
13 Nov 2011, 11:44
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From: David Stockhoff Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 2:22 AM To: The Urth Mailing List Subject: (urth) Hunter of the East Actually, there is a real sense in which we do see it.…
13 Nov 2011, 11:29
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From: Nick Lee Gerry Quinn: Well, if so I guess I mustn’t be a New Critic. - Gerry Quinn…
12 Nov 2011, 23:01
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From: David Stockhoff You asked “where is the rising sun?” It is just below the horizon. In a moment we will see it. Already we see its light shining on the tower. It is Orio…
12 Nov 2011, 19:32
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From: Nick Lee Gerry Quinn:I guess it’s interesting that the argument is tending in a similar direction to some of those regarding Wolfe, that is to say I am as usual on the side …
12 Nov 2011, 17:11
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From: David Stockhoff And Lo! the Hunter of the East has caught The Sultan's Turret in a Noose of Light. You miss my point. Suppose you never heard of Orion, or there was no as…
12 Nov 2011, 17:07
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From: David Stockhoff I agree with most of your post, but I remain convinced that the Hunter is the rising Sun, not Orion. Suppose we forget about the traditional association of…
12 Nov 2011, 12:48
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From: Lee Berman Did you read my post — I explained my thinking. I’m not committed to the stone being Venus, but I think Venus is a viable interpretation. [Of the original, I t…
11 Nov 2011, 18:40
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From: Lee Berman Erm... how about the one quoted by Wolfe? Venus fits well enough here, and since the Hunter of the East is the Sun, the stone must be something else. Of course…
11 Nov 2011, 14:33
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From: Lee Berman Sure, Orion rises in the east. But not at dawn, if it wants to be visible. And Orion doesn’t place a noose of light around turrets. The Sun does these things.…
11 Nov 2011, 13:13
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From: James Wynn On 11/10/2011 4:07 PM, Gerry Quinn wrote: And while Mamelta was a bit out of it during her time with Silk, she was fresh from Urth, at least in her own mind. …
11 Nov 2011, 12:59
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From: James Wynn Horn landed on Green with a whole bunch of people from Blue. As I said, somebody would have noticed. And while Mamelta was a bit out of it during her time with …
10 Nov 2011, 22:07
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From: Lee Berman That’s not what I’m suggesting, exactly. Imagine dawn in a city of towers of various heights, with a flat desert to the east. The sun initially lights the tops …
10 Nov 2011, 21:55
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I guess we could cope with less gravity than we’re used to, and any decent amount of gravity would probably be enough to prevent the more serious medical issues associated with wei…
10 Nov 2011, 21:44
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From: Lee Berman It seems to me that the Hunter of the East is more likely to be the dawn Sun, which is in the East (Orion can be in different directions). Besides, the stars ha…
10 Nov 2011, 20:42
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From: James Wynn From: James Wynn There is evidence. Mamelta, for one, would have noticed. Anyway, I wasn’t even thinking about the Whorl, but about those who travelled from…
10 Nov 2011, 18:20
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From: Dan'l Danehy-Oakes Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 5:42 PM To: The Urth Mailing List Subject: Re: (urth) vanished people=Hieros Fair enough, but still “hue” implies “col…
10 Nov 2011, 18:15
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From: James Wynn Ah, I think you are mistaking the names of Wolfe’s planets. Verthandi is Mars, Skuld is Venus, which at least has gravity similar to Earth. - Gerry Quinn…
10 Nov 2011, 17:38
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From: James Wynn Not that I believe a word of this, but why is everyone talking about Verthandi? If Blue is somehow a planet of the Solar System it surely has to be Skuld. The …
10 Nov 2011, 17:36
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From: Marc Aramini My first thought is that Morning = Head of Day = Severian, and the stone that puts the stars to flight is the White Fountain. But nothing literal is intended.…
10 Nov 2011, 15:48
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From: Marc Aramini Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 3:02 PM To: The Urth Mailing List Subject: Re: (urth) vanished people=Hieros I suppose it could be described as one, especia…
10 Nov 2011, 15:37
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From: Lee Berman But there is no indication, as far as I am aware, that Blue has suffered a disastrous flood. It is a watery planet, yes, and it has cities under the waves, as a…
10 Nov 2011, 14:47
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From: Lee Berman No, because those things are not contradictory. He does argue that if two hypotheses are contradictory, at least one must be wrong. Of course this rule, whose a…
10 Nov 2011, 14:40
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From: David Stockhoff It seems Roy has answered the question of the canted tower in the City of the Inhumi by pointing out that it wasn’t there. And the one that was supposedly t…
10 Nov 2011, 13:41
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From: Ant?nio Pedro Marques Because in Blue most of the people we meet live by the sea, and in Green they all live in the jungle. Also, of course, the names of the planets indica…
10 Nov 2011, 13:32
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From: Marc Aramini That’s included in my theory! What do you think the Garden of Everlasting Sleep is but the Gardens? open mouth? They get so many corpses they don’t min…
09 Nov 2011, 12:09
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From: Lee Berman Well, since you say I never come up with the sort of ideas you like, here’s the solution to how Father Inire can be lots of people. Note how there is no actual …
08 Nov 2011, 23:35
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From: Lee Berman That is not the case at all. - Gerry Quinn…
08 Nov 2011, 22:43
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From: Marc Aramini Only if you reject the possibility that two different cities could be similar in certain respects. - Gerry Quinn…
08 Nov 2011, 22:36
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From: Gwern Branwen The Outsider as AI was a new one on me. But I agree, whether or not you agree with everything it gives encyclopaedia readers a decent picture of the author. …
08 Nov 2011, 22:33
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From: Nick Lee Of course it is. But I don't think you have reached the second stage with the idea that the Green Man is a shapeshifting Father Inire. Why him - why not Dorcas,…
08 Nov 2011, 14:38
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