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So then Inire is a robot. Hell, three of the few male "friends" to Severian, Talos, Jonas, and now Inire. Genius! :) ...ryan…
07 Jul 2010, 19:09
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you lost me. ...ryan…
07 Jul 2010, 18:12
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Any clue to Inire is worth considering and processed however you see fit. Same with speculation on the humanity of other characters. If Tzdakiel's shapeshifting, Inire's mirrors, …
07 Jul 2010, 17:29
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Lee, that is a very heartening quote from you. It seems most of the undercarriage of this mailing list (both as a long time reader and recent participant) seems to be built aroun…
07 Jul 2010, 15:12
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*honks clown nose* ...ryan…
06 Jul 2010, 14:52
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Having only read BotNS twice, I can see I have my work cut out for me. I appreciate your feedback, however, and I think you and I share a similar feeling about the text, that there…
06 Jul 2010, 03:22
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Yes, I can buy that. Is it possible all of the Curators are basically agents of Inire? They crop up at the pinakotheken, in the library, at the botanic, etc... ...ryan…
05 Jul 2010, 23:17
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The whole thing with Rudesind is weird. I'll leave it at that, since I don't think I have a strong enough set of criteria to support a Rudesind = Inire case with the folks 'round h…
05 Jul 2010, 19:32
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The appearance of the Autarch at House Azure opens the gates to other unannounced, unnamed characters appearing. He did it with Hildegrin as well, and a handful of other characters…
05 Jul 2010, 00:00
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I tend to favor Inire in disguise, personally (masks abound, etc.). But I am definitely open to Mitchell Bailey's thoughts on the matter from some time back... http://www.urth.net…
03 Jul 2010, 18:33
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Either that or Rudesind = Inire, who is likely NOT from Urth, but a hierodule, hence *your* Urth (it ain't his). Call me crazy. ...ryan…
03 Jul 2010, 15:58
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I'm curious about the release dates of the ones I've found. I've posted a screengrab with my captions on them here: www.liftingfaces.com/uploads/moonman_sources.jpg Things to not…
02 Jul 2010, 18:28
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David, Wolfe also built an entire SF series with hundreds of extinct words which he found through diligent research. I wouldn't put hours spent at the microfiche table past him, a…
02 Jul 2010, 17:56
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Oh, I was reacting to this: "I am very sorry that many of you are making great efforts to be pedants." And I sensed you were offended when Dan'l implied you were a pedant yoursel…
02 Jul 2010, 04:34
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Yeah, this is a better version of that image, hi-res: http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a17/AS17-134-20387HR.jpg It's not the exact image from SotT, because Wolfe says the warrior is …
02 Jul 2010, 04:26
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Josh, Do you really think this is any more pedantic than our Agia as robot discourse? I happened to find my virgin reading of that passage (about the astronaut) one of the first …
02 Jul 2010, 04:10
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Would logic follow that you should apologize to the group of "striving pedants" as well? I'm not offended, mind you, but I AM an instigator 'round these parts. Or was it the way h…
01 Jul 2010, 17:33
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I found a similar image from a later Apollo image, though the painting is a painting, after all, and not a photograph (I don't think). ...ryan…
01 Jul 2010, 13:14
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It still begs the question of Palaemon, whether he is a real man, or a robot. Why the lenses? I get wary when eyes are obscured in BotNS, and there is plenty situations involving "…
30 Jun 2010, 16:56
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Oops, total mind melt. I spaced on that one. So pages, not sheets, I can dig that. ...ryan…
29 Jun 2010, 18:18
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I still think the books are printed on both sides of one page, like basically ALL other books you currently own. ...ryan…
29 Jun 2010, 17:49
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Also, I argue against/reject the idea of red herrings in a Gene Wolfe novel. Motif maybe, but a red herring just feels too lazy and convenient. Easier to just leave it alone, find…
29 Jun 2010, 04:51
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Because hidden eyes never sit well with me. :) And because I interpret BotNS from a paranoid POV, meaning I believe there are people watching/shaping Severian's life from start t…
29 Jun 2010, 04:49
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Do you disagree then that Inire appears to us in any form during the course of the books? I never thought the boatman was Inire, btw. But the boatman seems to be the same man at G…
29 Jun 2010, 04:02
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Oh and also, I think having close to 3,000 exultant family names is still pretty sizable, though I may not have a good enough grasp on that in terms of Urth vs. Earth. ...ryan…
29 Jun 2010, 03:29
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Jeff, Just pointing out, that Gurloes's book is likely printed on both sides, which means one half of one side of one sheet = 4 families per page. But yeah, could be some cross-o…
29 Jun 2010, 03:22
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Yes, there used to be more families over the course of histories, but it seemed to me that Gurloes was impressing upon Severian the VASTNESS of the exultant families still going, n…
29 Jun 2010, 00:49
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I wouldn't count any of this theorizing as a conspiracy theory, if that is what you're implying here. The idea of a boy in a bubble is very plausible, and could be the context for…
28 Jun 2010, 20:35
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Personally, I think all of the coincidences or overly convenient happenings in BotNS are a product of design, not chance, or an easy way out for Wolfe. Would you agree? If so, why…
28 Jun 2010, 19:33
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Yes! My whole take on Inire, is that he is something of a puppetmaster. We get an in-depth story from Thecla about Inire's mirrors, and how he is a master of the corridors of time…
28 Jun 2010, 18:43
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't Gene outwardly denied Severian being christ-like? ...ryan…
25 Jun 2010, 19:10
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Ah yes, I always assumed Ossipago was Father Inire (same with the picture cleaner, and Palaemon). But can the projectors send the aquastor visions from anywhere, or do they have t…
23 Jun 2010, 18:06
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Is the controller, in the case of Severian, in fact, Severian? Or someone else (Father Inire? The Autarch?). ...ryan…
23 Jun 2010, 17:23
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Hello, I have been trying to define for myself how Malrubius and Triskele (and other aquastors) are portrayed in the "real world" of Urth. Without sparking an entire dissertation,…
23 Jun 2010, 13:37
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I just wanted to recall what Severian and Dorcas talk about just after they see the floating building over Nessus... He tells Dorcas that within the brown book are all the keys of…
23 Jun 2010, 00:52
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Sorry, but were you saying Howdy-Doody was made out of lemonwood? Or that his box was? Maybe that was where I got mixed up? If you're simply noting that Howdy Doody was borne of l…
21 Jun 2010, 05:17
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Not sure if I'm buying the sex toy as a marionette. A motif, maybe, but the wrong imagery from what I have read. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you. . poppet n. - small human figure …
21 Jun 2010, 05:08
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Oh man, I can't even TRY to puzzle that one out. She IS a poppet candidate, though, I guess (?). We would have to introduce time traveling or something into the equation, since th…
21 Jun 2010, 04:14
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Correct, David. Here were the two passages that definitely indicated Agia was of some type of Asian descent (to me, anyhow)... . "With her upturned nose and strangely tilted eye…
20 Jun 2010, 01:02
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... and with those "strangely tilted eyes." A remnant of her former paracoital genicon self? :) ...ryan…
19 Jun 2010, 22:52
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Except for the fact that Hethor reportedly visited Agia and Agilus at the rag shop BEFORE Hethor meets Severian, at which point he has his rant about his missing genicon. ...ryan…
19 Jun 2010, 16:08
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Fair enough, though who did they use when Hethor had her in his box? Or are you not actually implying that the humanoid puppet employed to play Katharine is actually the SAME sex t…
19 Jun 2010, 16:07
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And yet, her name's etymology indicates "holy". Wolfe is having fun with this. She has a fallen angel quality. And back to the idea of coming from Quasar with Hethor, she literally…
19 Jun 2010, 14:28
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Maybe we should look back through Borges' "Book of Imaginary Beings". Wolfe has stolen more than one creature from this text and used it BotNS. ...ryan…
19 Jun 2010, 05:11
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Aww... you're spoiling all the fun! As for Hethor, I'd think he'd want a lighter sex bot (genicon, he says) than a chem while frolicking in bed. Someone he could overpower easily,…
19 Jun 2010, 05:00
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Man that's deep. But I found myself nodding a lot. Another consideration... If she is the escapee, it makes perfect sense for her to want to change her identity, in case Hetho…
19 Jun 2010, 02:47
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Agilus is the obvious suspect here. The one who obsesses over Jovinian steel. The one whose image she has assumed. The problem is just the misdirect with Hethor coming to their rag…
19 Jun 2010, 00:32
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You know, Agia does have a knack for bending people to her will, whether that be Severian, Hethor, the Vodalani, etc. The aureole suggests something holy, perhaps a symbolic moment…
18 Jun 2010, 22:32
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Okay, I think we're on the same page. If we agree, than there IS a woman on the loose in BotNS, who is a robot. Otherwise, I don't think Wolfe would have given us SO MUCH descript…
18 Jun 2010, 19:41
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Let me try this from a different angle. The amount of detail and description Hethor (and Severian (and Wolfe)) give regarding this missing poppet obviously feels like the reader sh…
18 Jun 2010, 19:03
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