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Thanks for that Aramini. Great post. I don't know the ins and outs of the sects, but I LOVE hearing it when ANY Christian can look at the scripture, understand it as allegory, unde…
18 Dec 2010, 16:36
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Well... Are we convinced that Severian going to Ultan isn't part of his being steered? Do we take Ultan at face value when he just knows, off the top of his head, that a book is l…
18 Dec 2010, 16:30
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Thats the shit right there, Jeff! Nail on the head.…
18 Dec 2010, 07:38
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I'm cool with all that.…
18 Dec 2010, 07:37
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I agree. I much prefer it to be a painting from Urth's past, which was, I prefer to think, in the same creation, about thirty thousand years before, with no intervening deluge. Re…
18 Dec 2010, 01:43
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True, it may mean between suns. But I'd wager Ultan is learned enough to choose his words carefully, and would likely know as much about this stuff as Malrubius's aquastor.…
18 Dec 2010, 01:35
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I love it too. Really, check out that Ancient Aliens History Channel show. Even if the theories are wacko, the "evidentiary" meat is fun to chew on and the interviewees are sorta h…
18 Dec 2010, 01:32
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Yes, my point was that we have a book that crossed from one creation to the other, so we may have other things, which may be the Astronaut Painting, which is NOT a photo, so it's n…
17 Dec 2010, 20:38
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I'm no expert on this stuff, and I don't want to derail the thread with a tangent. One interesting one is Gobekli Tepe in Turkey. There are also several underwater structures that…
17 Dec 2010, 19:14
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I have always thought the shape of the universe was a torus. Hawking described a globe which had opposing poles that were the Big Bang and Big Crunch. It seems obvious to me that …
17 Dec 2010, 18:40
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Thanks for pointing to Malrubius. I love that part. It is almost at the end of a series that began with "Resurrection & Death" However, I take issue with a conclusion you draw fro…
17 Dec 2010, 17:52
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Excellent!…
17 Dec 2010, 17:15
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I see Christ there because it is heaped with Christian symbols. I am not Religious. Again, a BOOK tells us WHY the Deluge happened. In fact, hundreds and hundreds of stories tell …
17 Dec 2010, 15:18
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Ok, then my point stands. Anything that interprets the visible actions and quoted staetments is Essentialy theological speculation. So it would be as possible to have multiple univ…
16 Dec 2010, 20:57
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Like I said, I enjoy the hell out of both of your posts when they are on topic.…
16 Dec 2010, 20:36
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Wait. That Jesus saved us once and for all is theological interpretation, more than scripture, right? I think we can say that we are pretty sure the man Jesus actually lived and …
16 Dec 2010, 20:33
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I'm gonna say it for everybody... Give it a rest, guys, you have made your points over and over and now it's time to move away from the discussions about the discussion. Both Lee…
16 Dec 2010, 20:10
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16 Dec 2010, 19:46
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I have to say I don't see the sense in projecting that interpretation of paths to salvation if you don't believe in them. For me, I think salvation is possible without Jesus. I th…
16 Dec 2010, 19:41
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I guess then, that you feel there is no possible salvation but through Jesus Christ?…
16 Dec 2010, 19:08
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This smells good to me.…
16 Dec 2010, 19:06
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I thought they were playing an online multiplayer Mutant Battle Chess with Chewbacca.…
16 Dec 2010, 18:55
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Thanks for that. I completely agree about the distance obscuration. I think Wolfe is tricksy, but I think people mistrust him too much.…
16 Dec 2010, 18:53
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I agree Gerry. I love me some Heavy Metal. Bands in the nineties that played what they, today, would be proud to call "Metal" had to call it "Grunge" in order to not be lumped in …
16 Dec 2010, 18:03
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Good post Craig. I want anyone who is paying attention to what I've written to understand clearly that I don't think Wolfe has rendered a cosmology that actually models his belief…
16 Dec 2010, 17:58
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This Seeing the Signs compilation is a great idea. I wonder if it could be very effectively drawn up on that Wolfe Wiki so that it attains some sort of centralized encyclopedic qu…
16 Dec 2010, 17:29
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Good work Friedman.…
16 Dec 2010, 15:28
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This is soooooo obvious it does not need pointing out. I think BotNS explores many deeply felt philosophical ideas of ideas of it's author. If you don't, make of it what you will. …
16 Dec 2010, 15:26
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Good stuff, Weber!…
16 Dec 2010, 01:10
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Yes Craig, but wouldn't you agree that any cosmology can be called "speculative fiction?" It seems appropriate to me, even though I don't want to demean anyone's revelation.…
16 Dec 2010, 01:09
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Well, see my point about Logos originally meaning ratio. It makes more sense that way. A ratio is a relationship. If we have a relationship between Man and God ( God: Man or God / …
16 Dec 2010, 01:06
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I can't answer this as a Christian, though, as usual I see a very frakking clear symbol right under our noses that I've never heard anyone else explain, though it probably has bee…
16 Dec 2010, 01:00
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I'm not suggesting that this force that sometimes incarnates intemporal reality is an abstraction. It is a real force. And if humanity can lose it's way again and again, it needs …
16 Dec 2010, 00:45
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No, I am not saying that BotNS is not fiction. Not at all. I'm saying that I think Wolfe mashed up a lot of his beliefs which might seem to a simpler mind to be incompatible, and h…
16 Dec 2010, 00:15
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I pretty much agree with you but I feel like I'm hitting my head against a wall. Jesus of Nazareth delivered the sermon on the mount and died on the cross. Christians essentially t…
16 Dec 2010, 00:06
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Why create a fictional universe if it is fundamentally the same as our own? Well, are you sure that our universe is cyclically recreated in the same pattern again and again? Are yo…
15 Dec 2010, 23:44
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Oh my God!…
15 Dec 2010, 23:34
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I feel you. It's sorta how many cartoonists won't call themselves "cartoonists", or their output as "comics", instead calling them "comix" or "graphic novels" or "Bande Dessin?e" b…
15 Dec 2010, 23:04
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Unfortunately, too many San Franciscan's DO call it Frisco, though I find they tend to be over 50, so they'll go away sooner or later.…
15 Dec 2010, 22:57
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Well, I didn't say Christ was the Father. Again, I said that this is true: Outsider=Christ=God (not The Father) I don't think we are in disagreement. Again, I think that this is …
15 Dec 2010, 22:55
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Why is Sci-Fi offensive? Is this like, If you were Straight-Edge playing in a Melvins or Black Sabbath cover band and you insisted that your genre be referred to as "Doom-Metal" ra…
15 Dec 2010, 22:31
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Well, the point seems to be that things are endlessly cyclical. It is a major point of the books cosmology though, and one of the other huge themes is a cyclicality of creation, th…
15 Dec 2010, 22:28
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Yes, but the Trinity is a unity, and thus makes my statement true, no? We can equally say that the Outsider = Christ = God. Am I wrong?…
15 Dec 2010, 22:25
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What I mean is that you will find Christian's saying things like "Jesus is Lord" and "Find Jesus" and "find God" almost interchangeably. My real point is that Stockhoff seemed to …
15 Dec 2010, 22:21
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Are you forgetting the tripartite nature of Christ? The Father, The son, and The Holy Ghost. Christ is an aspect of God and is used by Christians interchangeably with God.…
15 Dec 2010, 21:35
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Which universe are you calling "parallel"? What should we call our universe in this discussion? If you mean ours and Briah are parallel, they are not. Our universe and Briah are cy…
15 Dec 2010, 21:33
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Wait. There is a very unambiguous salvation metaphor here. The Whorl is a sort of gnotic false creation with a false pantheon. God sends his healing energy, Logos- Christ the physi…
15 Dec 2010, 21:23
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I'm not sure about that. Plenty of exultants, armigers, cacogens, and entertainers seem to find their way to the grounds of the House Absolute.…
15 Dec 2010, 21:15
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I always liked Scorsesi's Last Temptation portrayal of Jesus making crucifixes. (I don't know if that is valid to the tradition) but it says the same thing. Jesus knows what it is …
15 Dec 2010, 21:12
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I don't think it matters. Earth is in the future or past of this creation, or even perhaps in a previous or suceeding instance of this cyclical repeating universe. Meaning, our E…
15 Dec 2010, 21:10
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