Major new Wolfe story online

Nicholas Gevers07 May 2002, 04:18original as archived

GW's new story, "Under Hill", a sort of mediaeval romance by the look of things, is now online on THE INFINITE MATRIX (www.infinitematrix.net). Hurrah! --Nick Gevers.

Andy Robertson07 May 2002, 10:27original as archived

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Thank you!! But actually it seems quite minor. The theme is that life is preferrable to peace, or more succintly that Peace = Death. It is a nice little thing, but I spy no depths in it. Does anyone differ? hartshorn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicholas Gevers" <vermoulian at yahoo.com> To: <urth at urth.net> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 5:18 AM Subject: (urth) Major new Wolfe story online

Adam Stephanides07 May 2002, 21:17original as archived

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So Wolfe is a Kai Lung fan. I had no idea. I've seen the "princess on a glass mountain" motif twice before: in a novel called THE GLASS MOUNTAIN by Leonard Wolf, which I haven't read, and in a Fractured Fairy Tale (in which the rescuer was a giant frog). Given this, I'd expect that it occurs in some genuine fairy tale or medieval romance, but nothing comes to mind. Like hartshorn, I didn't see any hidden depths to the story, at least on first reading. --Adam

Dan'l Danehy-Oakes07 May 2002, 21:20original as archived

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I've seen the "princess on a glass mountain" motif twice before: in a novel called THE GLASS MOUNTAIN by Leonard Wolf, which I haven't read, and in a Fractured Fairy Tale (in which the rescuer was a giant frog). Given this, I'd expect that it occurs in some genuine fairy tale or medieval romance, but nothing comes to mind.

It appears in a number of places. Here's one version: http://www.darsie.net/talesofwonder/pgm.html

Matthew Davis07 May 2002, 21:00original as archived

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From: "Adam Stephanides" <adamsteph at earthlink.net> To: <urth at urth.net> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 10:17 PM Subject: Re: (urth) Major new Wolfe story online So Wolfe is a Kai Lung fan. I had no idea. I've seen the "princess on a glass mountain" motif twice before: in a novel called THE GLASS MOUNTAIN by Leonard Wolf, which I haven't read, and in a Fractured Fairy Tale (in which the rescuer was a giant frog). Given this, I'd expect that it occurs in some genuine fairy tale or medieval romance, but nothing comes to mind.

The "princess and the glass hill" by andrew lang http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2?id=LanBlue.sgm&images=image s/modeng&data=/texts/english/modeng/parsed&tag=public&part=33&division=div1 which I found by this nifty index to Lang's fairy tales http://users.ece.gatech.edu/~emily/Docs/lang.html#p But does the title allude to anything? One of the hobbits went under the false name "Mr Underhill" but nothing else leaps to mind.

Andy Robertson07 May 2002, 20:20original as archived

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Traditionally the fairies, the Sidhe, the "little people", live "Under the hill". This derives from a confusion of old Celtic burial mounds. ----- Original Message -----

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From: "Matthew Davis" <matthew at michaelscycles.freeserve.co.uk> To: <urth at urth.net> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 10:00 PM Subject: Re: (urth) Major new Wolfe story online ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Stephanides" <adamsteph at earthlink.net> To: <urth at urth.net> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 10:17 PM Subject: Re: (urth) Major new Wolfe story online

So Wolfe is a Kai Lung fan. I had no idea. I've seen the "princess on a glass mountain" motif twice before: in a novel called THE GLASS MOUNTAIN by Leonard Wolf, which I haven't read, and in a Fractured Fairy Tale (in which the rescuer was a giant frog). Given this, I'd expect that it occurs in some genuine fairy tale or medieval romance, but nothing comes to mind.

The "princess and the glass hill" by andrew lang

http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2?id=LanBlue.sgm&images=image

s/modeng&data=/texts/english/modeng/parsed&tag=public&part=33&division=div1

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which I found by this nifty index to Lang's fairy tales http://users.ece.gatech.edu/~emily/Docs/lang.html#p But does the title allude to anything? One of the hobbits went under the false name "Mr Underhill" but nothing else leaps to mind. --

Josh Geller07 May 2002, 23:35original as archived

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On Tue, 7 May 2002, Matthew Davis wrote: "Adam Stephanides" <adamsteph at earthlink.net> writes:

So Wolfe is a Kai Lung fan. I had no idea.

I've seen the "princess on a glass mountain" motif twice before: in a novel called THE GLASS MOUNTAIN by Leonard Wolf, which I haven't read, and in a Fractured Fairy Tale (in which the rescuer was a giant frog). Given this, I'd expect that it occurs in some genuine fairy tale or medieval romance, but nothing comes to mind.

The "princess and the glass hill" by andrew lang http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2?id=LanBlue.sgm&images=image s/modeng&data=/texts/english/modeng/parsed&tag=public&part=33&division=div1

which I found by this nifty index to Lang's fairy tales http://users.ece.gatech.edu/~emily/Docs/lang.html#p

But does the title allude to anything? One of the hobbits went under the false name "Mr Underhill" but nothing else leaps to mind.

'Under Hill' is an old. old euphemism for what's often called 'Faerie' ('faerie' is also a euphemism; this is the land of the Dead we are talking about (see my post with the subject 'Mound Dwellers')). The main fairy in John Crowley's "Little, Big" is called Mrs. Underhill.

Josh Geller07 May 2002, 23:41original as archived

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On Tue, 7 May 2002, Andy Robertson wrote: Traditionally the fairies, the Sidhe, the "little people", live "Under the hill". This derives from a confusion of old Celtic burial mounds.

They are not just Celtic. In fact, the best source I know for information on these ancient religious/magickal practices is the Icelandic sagas. Also it's not always an artificial mound. Often it is a natural hill or mountain. What matters is that it have the proper alignment to the Sky, basically. Kings and priests and so on are buried in these places, from which they are sometimes held to have returned (see my post with the subject "Mound Dwellers").