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"Memorare" hardcover

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Matthew Groves06 Dec 2007, 01:23as archived
"Memorare" hardcover
Is the List aware of this?: http://wyrmpublishing.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=12 Does "Memorare" remind anyone else of Niven-esque "hard" sf? (Will anyone else admit to having read Niven?)
brunians at brunians.org06 Dec 2007, 02:39as archived
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I've read Niven. He's a good SF writer, if not the best or second best prose stylist in the World. Nice guy, too. .
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Is the List aware of this?: http://wyrmpublishing.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=12 Does "Memorare" remind anyone else of Niven-esque "hard" sf? (Will anyone else admit to having read Niven?) _______________________________________________
Adam Thornton06 Dec 2007, 04:13as archived
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On Dec 5, 2007, at 8:39 PM, brunians at brunians.org wrote: I've read Niven. He's a good SF writer, if not the best or second best prose stylist in the World. Nice guy, too.
I've also read a lot of Niven. I concur with the above, although I have no reason to know his nice- guy-or-notness. Adam
Recursive Loop06 Dec 2007, 04:35as archived
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"(Will anyone else admit to having read Niven?)" Sure. Tons through the 80's. Known Space was one of my favorite haunts. Around the time of the third RW novel and a few other things, I lost interest. But I'll go back and visit again someday. FPK3
Jeff Wilson07 Dec 2007, 05:09as archived
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Matthew Groves wrote: Is the List aware of this?: http://wyrmpublishing.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=12 Does "Memorare" remind anyone else of Niven-esque "hard" sf? (Will anyone else admit to having read Niven?)
Sure thing. But, he's not truly a hard SF writer, though he puts on such a good show that most people don't notice he's swept the fossil record under the rug, for example.
Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com < http://www.io.com/~jwilson >
Matthew King07 Dec 2007, 18:22as archived
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OT: Hard SF Niven (was "Memorare" hardcover)
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On Dec 6, 2007, at 11:09 PM, Jeff Wilson wrote: (Will anyone else admit to having read Niven?)
Sure thing. But, he's not truly a hard SF writer, though he puts on such a good show that most people don't notice he's swept the fossil record under the rug, for example.
Do you mean the Protector-breeder origin of humans?
Michael Straight07 Dec 2007, 23:18as archived
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Everything I know about Science I had to re-learn after having read Niven in my teens. :-) Fun stuff, though. And yeah, Memorare's plot and setting both have the flavor of a Niven-era SF short story, if not Niven himself. Rostrum
Matthew Groves08 Dec 2007, 06:00as archived
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OT: Hard SF Niven (was "Memorare" hardcover)
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On Dec 7, 2007 12:22 PM, Matthew King <automatthew at gmail.com> wrote: On Dec 6, 2007, at 11:09 PM, Jeff Wilson wrote:
[Niven is] not truly a hard SF writer, though he puts on such a good show that most people don't notice he's swept the fossil record under the rug, for example.
Do you mean the Protector-breeder origin of humans?
I did have that reaction when I read Protector: If the breeders where homo habilis, then why does homo habilis seem to share ancestory with other Terran species? However, from what I've read of Niven's, his greatest sin against scientific plausibility, in my opinion, is "luck breeding."
Jeff Wilson08 Dec 2007, 16:00as archived
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OT: Hard SF Niven (was "Memorare" hardcover)
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Matthew King wrote: On Dec 6, 2007, at 11:09 PM, Jeff Wilson wrote:
(Will anyone else admit to having read Niven?)
Sure thing. But, he's not truly a hard SF writer, though he puts on such a good show that most people don't notice he's swept the fossil record under the rug, for example.
Do you mean the Protector-breeder origin of humans?
That in particular, yes.
Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com < http://www.io.com/~jwilson >
Jeff Wilson08 Dec 2007, 16:08as archived
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Matthew Groves wrote: On Dec 7, 2007 12:22 PM, Matthew King <automatthew at gmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 6, 2007, at 11:09 PM, Jeff Wilson wrote:
[Niven is] not truly a hard SF writer, though he puts on such a good show that most people don't notice he's swept the fossil record under the rug, for example.
Do you mean the Protector-breeder origin of humans?
I did have that reaction when I read Protector: If the breeders where homo habilis, then why does homo habilis seem to share ancestory with other Terran species?
The shared ancestry among primates is explained by induced mutation, but no explanation is made to connect primates with the rest of earthly life.
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However, from what I've read of Niven's, his greatest sin against scientific plausibility, in my opinion, is "luck breeding."
To be sure, that part is metafictional one-upmanship rather than an integral part of the plot. Psi powers were very popular among genre fiction at the time, and it's hard to top the power to control the author/editor/publisher.
Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com < http://www.io.com/~jwilson >

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