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Larry Miller19 Nov 2011, 14:43as archived

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If I remember right isnt there a point in Urth of New Sun where Severian goes inside the planet of Yesod in something akin to an elevator? As ridiculous as it may sound is it possible that the planet of Yesod could be the Whorl after its departure from the Blue/Green system?

Jeff Wilson19 Nov 2011, 23:48as archived

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On 11/19/2011 8:43 AM, Larry Miller wrote: If I remember right isnt there a point in Urth of New Sun where Severian goes inside the planet of Yesod in something akin to an elevator?

An open platform that descends, yes.

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As ridiculous as it may sound is it possible that the planet of Yesod could be the Whorl after its departure from the Blue/Green system?

There is no particular thickness of natural rock visible inside the machine planet, only human-like figures and mobile machines tending stationary machines. Apheta claims it was created from Yesod's white-hole energy and matter for Yesodi settlement. There is also the statement and the appearance that the machine planet is Urth-size or larger, and massive enough to produce earth-like conditions on its exterior. It might be barely possible that the Hierogrammates escaped from Briah in a previous iteration of the Whorl, and some of that materials was incorporated into the machine planet, but IIRC that occasion was untold billions of years in future time, when the universal expansion had separated galaxies from one another. The Whorl might still exist then as an asteroid, but it is unlikely the accomodations would be useful or reognizeable after that time.

Jeff Wilson - jwilson at clueland.com Computational Intelligence Laboratory - Texas A&M Texarkana < http://www.tamut.edu/CIL >

Larry Miller19 Nov 2011, 23:58as archived

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Thanks Jeff. Just a random thought that occured to me this morning. Ive been really concerned with exactly how Horn/Silk takes a part ("though not a leading part" as stated by Wolfe) in the Hieros plans to transform the human race into the Yesodis. Ive been racking my brain for more connections between the books. Do you have any thoughts?

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On 11/19/11, Jeff Wilson <jwilson at clueland.com> wrote: On 11/19/2011 8:43 AM, Larry Miller wrote:

If I remember right isnt there a point in Urth of New Sun where Severian goes inside the planet of Yesod in something akin to an elevator?

An open platform that descends, yes.

As ridiculous as it may sound is it possible that the planet of Yesod could be the Whorl after its departure from the Blue/Green system?

There is no particular thickness of natural rock visible inside the machine planet, only human-like figures and mobile machines tending stationary machines. Apheta claims it was created from Yesod's white-hole energy and matter for Yesodi settlement. There is also the statement and the appearance that the machine planet is Urth-size or larger, and massive enough to produce earth-like conditions on its exterior. It might be barely possible that the Hierogrammates escaped from Briah in a previous iteration of the Whorl, and some of that materials was incorporated into the machine planet, but IIRC that occasion was untold billions of years in future time, when the universal expansion had separated galaxies from one another. The Whorl might still exist then as an asteroid, but it is unlikely the accomodations would be useful or reognizeable after that time. -- Jeff Wilson - jwilson at clueland.com Computational Intelligence Laboratory - Texas A&M Texarkana < http://www.tamut.edu/CIL > _______________________________________________

António Pedro Marques20 Nov 2011, 02:49as archived

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No dia 19/11/2011, ?s 23:58, Larry Miller <decanus1284 at gmail.com> escreveu:

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Thanks Jeff. Just a random thought that occured to me this morning. Ive been really concerned with exactly how Horn/Silk takes a part ("though not a leading part" as stated by Wolfe) in the Hieros plans to transform the human race into the Yesodis. Ive been racking my brain for more connections between the books. Do you have any thoughts?

He is Typhon, I tell you! THE Typhon!

Jeff Wilson20 Nov 2011, 07:06as archived

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On 11/19/2011 5:58 PM, Larry Miller wrote: Thanks Jeff. Just a random thought that occured to me this morning. Ive been really concerned with exactly how Horn/Silk takes a part ("though not a leading part" as stated by Wolfe) in the Hieros plans to transform the human race into the Yesodis. Ive been racking my brain for more connections between the books. Do you have any thoughts?

I think it's the Yesodi's plans to mold the humans into the Hieros, who will ultimately unite with the Yesodis and with God. Everyone who can encourage others to spiritually grow toward that state of conciliation contributes in a meaningful way that can be built upon in future time and successive manvantaras. This includes doers of both good and evil acts, though a little evil goes a long way. It's very much like the Teilhard De Chardin plan laid out in a spiral rather than a closed timeloop.

Jeff Wilson - jwilson at clueland.com Computational Intelligence Laboratory - Texas A&M Texarkana < http://www.tamut.edu/CIL >