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Thank you for pointing this out. One thing I mean to do at some point is write an article cataloging some of the hidden jokes in the Foo Sun books; GW has a sense of humor that i…
09 Jan 2002, 17:34
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I think we have to rethink what a "league" is here then. I assume that Green must have _at least_ the mass of Lune/Luna, because it manages to hold on to an atmosphere thick enough…
09 Jan 2002, 17:31
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Marc, I agree completely with you about Wolfe and about the SS books: when the list went through the immediate post-RttW spasm of discussion, I recall commenting that the books we…
09 Jan 2002, 17:22
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Actually this isn't a bad idea a-tall: One list for Wolfe discussion and one for other "Lupine" writers. Except, of course, that the second list quickly becomes a combination gener…
10 Dec 2001, 16:34
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Well, that becomes pretty arbitrary anyway. Do trade (large-size) paperbacks count? And what about short stories? I specified "book form" because some of us don't subscribe to all…
07 Dec 2001, 17:38
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I don't think the existing division makes a great deal of sense anymore. (I never entirely understood the point of it anyway.) If you're paying for this, I recommend not paying for…
07 Dec 2001, 16:19
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Denis/Endy, "Strega" is Italian for "witch. --Dan'l *This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun.…
30 Oct 2001, 08:31
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Indeed, no -- it's clear from his remarks to Severian (in SotL) that he expected this to be a very temporary state -- long enough for his involuntary nervous system to learn its w…
05 Sep 2001, 14:41
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Welcome Peacefrog. will Thank you. Very well observed; I certainly hadn't noticed the relevance of this apparently throwaway comment. I think it may be time for another pass th…
02 Aug 2001, 09:22
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No, he has not. He has made several different comments about this, which add up to a kind of ambiguity. The two major points have been that (1) he did indeed intend to finish it an…
30 Jul 2001, 08:18
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Or, (c), the pattern of the Messiah-story is deeply ingrained in the "collective unconciousness" or the nature of the human soul or, uh, whatever. But in support of (b), i. The …
03 Jul 2001, 08:42
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Subject: Re: (whorl) The Narrator's mistakes What's next? "More of the Narrator's Greatest Mistakes" "Well, That About Wraps It Up for the Narrator" --Oolon Cobblatid *This is…
22 Jun 2001, 15:08
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Stipulated with the reservation that I don't personally _like_ it. Enthusiastically endorsed. Either stipulated or not stipulated. I'll happily stipulate that you know what you …
22 Jun 2001, 09:25
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Yep. And the idea persists in the Christian tradition well beyond the time of the apostles: an excellent example being a set of works which were probably by a Syrian monk in the 5t…
21 Jun 2001, 09:19
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Adam writes: Stipulated: within the completely fictional universe of discourse, the third-person narrative sections of RttW are fictional(ized) accounts of the activities of the N…
20 Jun 2001, 08:40
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William, William, William... I don't know how to tell you this, but this list is a fannish activity, or, as they used to say -- do they still? -- "fanac." Granted, it's the kin…
20 Jun 2001, 08:23
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Me on parasitism: H'mmm. Perhaps rather than "energy" I should've said "power"; in any case, my point is that fanfickers don't have to create things like characters and settings, …
19 Jun 2001, 15:23
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Responding to my use of the term "parasitic," his No, no. I meant the word in a strictly technical sense; the existence of fanfic is completely dependent on, and draws its energy…
19 Jun 2001, 11:22
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And more of Mr Friedman: To respond to that I'd have to know (or at least make an educated guess at whether Nabokov himself was familiar with/skilled at the kind of reading SF req…
18 Jun 2001, 17:07
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Well ... yeah. That's the point, innit? What I've been trying to convey: I "think" Wolfe's text offers a (willing) reader some sense of the experience of trying to get at the "r…
18 Jun 2001, 16:46
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Quoth Jerry Friedman: This is certainly possible, and does in fact happen in RL, but nowhere near as often as it introduces them. *This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's…
18 Jun 2001, 08:50
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There have actually been at least half a dozen books published under that title now, including a collection of H.R.Giger's horrid-lovely artwork. --Dan'l…
17 Jun 2001, 09:58
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I deeply agree with Anna June (and Adam) on this point. It is an accurately descriptive term -- though I don't know whether it applies to Spong in particular. Within the context o…
15 Jun 2001, 13:17
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I must disagree on theoretical grounds. The discourse of SF uses rhetorical devices -- and the tactics of the unreliable narrator, the "editorial" comment, and metafictional devi…
15 Jun 2001, 10:15
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I think the usual form is "Experience is what you get right after you need it," which I've seen attributed to Robert Fripp, but it's probably older than that. Socrates. It's all i…
15 Jun 2001, 09:21
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While you're right, you are right in a way that, well, sort of misses my point. The issue here is _not_ how a hypothetical Bluish reader might respond when faced with the Books o…
13 Jun 2001, 15:32
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Nor do I; but I think even more that it doesn't much matter. Oddly enough, I wasn't thinking of this project as apologetic. Rather, I was thinking of it as experiential -- taking…
11 Jun 2001, 17:14
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Actually, you were right on target. Blish was an atheist through the fifties -- but one of those atheists who _wants_ to believe, if you know what I mean? And, like most rational…
11 Jun 2001, 12:57
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To my: Adam S. asked, Neither; I refer to (1) the fact that they simply do not correct some errors that they themselves seem to think are obvious, instead marking them with "si…
11 Jun 2001, 09:19
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William Ansley referred to Thank you! Well, actually, what I had in mind was the major universe of discourse in which the BOOKS OF THE [FOO] SUN take place, but if the term is m…
11 Jun 2001, 08:50
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"Unanswerable" is, of course, moot; we can have no definitive answers, but we can have answers which satisfy us, individually if not collectively. Actually, at least one questi…
10 Jun 2001, 11:40
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... so am I. This is a case where I am looking at a repeated pattern and saying, in nerdish tone, "This _means_ something," but am not yet clear on just _what_ it means. I haven'…
04 Jun 2001, 14:49
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Oh, I suppose ... a few ... Given the change in the Narr's astrally-projected "appearance," I suspect that, yes, there is a change in his or their "soul" somewhere, somehow, in …
31 May 2001, 16:24
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Alga: This is cool. Whether or not it is an actual "reference," it's interesting to observe a few contrasts - aside from the non-accusatory nature of Silk's enlightenment, for exa…
29 May 2001, 13:00
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Mr Friedman, You wrote, Post it ! Post it !!!!! *This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun.…
18 May 2001, 15:26
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Oolp -- well, if you're going to go that long (I have trouble thinking of a couple of these as "short shorts") don't neglect "The Detective of Dreams," my single favorite Lupine te…
04 May 2001, 10:15
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They're not "hypothesized," dammit. The Neighbors _say_ so, in RETURN. (Don't ask me for a page cite, though; my copies of SHORT are out on loan and won't be back for a while.) T…
30 Apr 2001, 08:46
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In response to my: This is true -- but I'm not sure it's relevant. While "Love One Another" may not be The Secret, it clearly must be related to The Secret; slaughtering the entir…
26 Apr 2001, 10:21
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PatNutRit: No, no, a _thousand_ times no! Horn says clearly that it will not, that it will reduce them to mindless beasts. (Of course, you might consider that a form of "destructi…
26 Apr 2001, 09:05
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At the risk of being contentious, let me observe that only the sentient inhumi do so. But in the universe-of-discourse where humans have come to "love one another," the sentient i…
26 Apr 2001, 08:48
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A debatable premiss, but consider the result as if it were a given. Correct so far. Also correct. But Horn does not say the secret will make the inhumi non-dangerous, only that i…
25 Apr 2001, 11:03
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Quoth Jason Ingram: Key point. I've said before & I'll say again: it is not science fantasy; it is science fiction that makes some relatively unusual (for SF) assumptions about t…
24 Apr 2001, 08:46
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Say... doesn't the astral travelling only begin after Oreb brings the Narr back the ring? -----Original Message----- From: Kevin J. Maroney [mailto:kmaroney at ungames.com] Sent: Fri…
20 Apr 2001, 16:33
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Swish! One up, one away... *This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun.…
20 Apr 2001, 13:21
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Although it _does_ offer us with yet another possible image for what the inhumi look like in their "natural" state -- lime green humanoids with antennae... who's willing to bet …
20 Apr 2001, 12:10
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Thank you. This was pretty much my point a few days ago when I suggested that we need to live with SHORT a while (I said a year, others exaggerated it to 'years') before rushing t…
20 Apr 2001, 10:14
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As the originator (as far as I know) of the Silk-cut-himself-in- grief hypothesis, I have to point out that this hypothesis does _not_ involve Silk bleeding to death, accidentally…
20 Apr 2001, 10:07
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Wouldn't help him when he came to Viron, though. *This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun.…
19 Apr 2001, 11:37
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Ratty Rote: Given (1) the size of the _Whorl_, and (2) the fact that people don't seem to moonwalk on the airship, I'd say this won't work. OTOH, the godlings (at least, the one w…
19 Apr 2001, 10:19
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Tim Reilly, in response to my remark that "god" in SS is "a deliberately ambiguous, multivalued and multiordinal term," Try this: The Narr uses (or seems to use) the word "god" t…
19 Apr 2001, 09:44
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