Digest whorl.v012.n133
↰ answers Dan'l Danehy-Oakes
· by quotation
63 quoted lines · 1–2 deep
From: "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes" <ddanehy at siebel.com>
Subject: RE: (whorl) Silkhorn^H^H^H^H and Severian
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 16:24:31 -0700
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Jerry Friedman wrote:
Any comments?
Oh, I suppose ... a few ...
Given the change in the Narr's astrally-projected
"appearance,"
I suspect that, yes, there is a change in his or
their "soul"
somewhere, somehow, in between those two dates. I
supsect it may
not, however, have anything directly to do with Li'l
Severian.
Actually, I feel like Darwin dealing with Wallace: I
haven't
formulated a really solid theory, yet, which is why
I haven't
posted it yet, but given that Jerry is now
concentrating on
the significant parts of the text (which have
hitherto been
mentioned in passing but not really attended to), I
think I want
to stick my oar in and establish a sort of priority
on what I
do have.
The missing piece here is the deScyllification of
Oreb.
The connection is fairly clear at a structural
level:
(A) something happens to free a body (Oreb's) of a
soul or astral persona
(Scylla-the-daughter-of-Pas)
which has possessed or partially possessed it,
or,
mutatis mutandis, to free that soul or astral
persona from the body which has possessed it;
(B) something happens to change the soul or astral
persona (Horn's?) associated with a body
(Silk's)
which seems to be or to have been partially
possessed.
But this isn't really developed into any kind of
thesis or
theory, as you can see; all I'm saying here is "this
pattern
seems to establish something of the possible
meaning-space
for case (B) by putting it into relief against case
(A)."
Nww that you mention it, I can see a parallel between
the two events, but I'm still loooking forward to your
showing any other kind of connection.
4 quoted lines · 1–2 deep
I promised you folks an unfounded speculation.
It doesn't look unfounded to me, though I'm not
readly to agree
with the conclusions.
It's unfounded in the sense that I don't know of any
positive evidence for it. There's just an event
without an apparent cause right next to an event
without much apparent effect. I was hoping someone
would find more definite evidence for (or against) my
speculation.
...
11 quoted lines · 1–2 deep
Does Severian by his mere presence resurrect Silk?
I find this highly dubious for half a dozen reasons;
the most important of which: I think Silk is neither
more nor less dead at the end of RttW than he is
when the Narr first takes up his pen in Gaon. The
"climax" of RttW is not a resurrection but a
recognition, and what is recognized is something
that
the Narr has been trying very hard not to see since
long before he began astrally travelling to Green,
let alone Urth.
Well, it doesn't seem that settled to me, but let me
rephrase the question in line with Rostrum's point,
which I should have considered in the first place:
Does Severian by his mere presence contribute to
healing Silk? What's the next-best reason to find it
dubious?
16 quoted lines · 1–2 deep
There's a strong objection to this speculation: the
transformation happens at the wrong time. We might
have
expected it at Silkhorn's first meeting with
Severian (Chap.
13), or failing that, when he dreams of Severian
(Chap. 15),
or at their last meeting, but not in between.
Here is one weakness your theory clearly doesn't
have. On the many occasions when Sev commits
miracles
without knowing it, he seems to do so in a rather
haphazard fashion, and not necessarily at the first
opportunity. (How many encounters does he have with
water before suddenly turning some into wine... And
it isn't as if that had been for a wedding!)
True, but does he ever perform a miracle that takes
effect at some point in the next few days?
Jerry Friedman