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At the risk of being contentious, let me observe that only the sentient inhumi do so. But in the universe-of-discourse where humans have come to "love one another," the sentient i…
26 Apr 2001, 08:48
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Which was pretty much my point. Assuming per argumentam the "Golden Rule" theory of the Secret, _and_ that the human colonists somehow manage to implement it, then the inhumi beco…
25 Apr 2001, 12:58
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A debatable premiss, but consider the result as if it were a given. Correct so far. Also correct. But Horn does not say the secret will make the inhumi non-dangerous, only that i…
25 Apr 2001, 11:03
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Quoth Jason Ingram: Key point. I've said before & I'll say again: it is not science fantasy; it is science fiction that makes some relatively unusual (for SF) assumptions about t…
24 Apr 2001, 08:46
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Say... doesn't the astral travelling only begin after Oreb brings the Narr back the ring? -----Original Message----- From: Kevin J. Maroney [mailto:kmaroney at ungames.com] Sent: Fri…
20 Apr 2001, 16:33
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Swish! One up, one away... *This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun.…
20 Apr 2001, 13:21
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Although it _does_ offer us with yet another possible image for what the inhumi look like in their "natural" state -- lime green humanoids with antennae... who's willing to bet …
20 Apr 2001, 12:10
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...which caused me to note something that hadn't occurred to me before: The Narr is capable of astral travelling only after he's had his whole-body transplant. The dumb explanation…
20 Apr 2001, 10:40
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Thank you. This was pretty much my point a few days ago when I suggested that we need to live with SHORT a while (I said a year, others exaggerated it to 'years') before rushing t…
20 Apr 2001, 10:14
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As the originator (as far as I know) of the Silk-cut-himself-in- grief hypothesis, I have to point out that this hypothesis does _not_ involve Silk bleeding to death, accidentally…
20 Apr 2001, 10:07
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Wouldn't help him when he came to Viron, though. *This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun.…
19 Apr 2001, 11:37
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Ratty Rote: Given (1) the size of the _Whorl_, and (2) the fact that people don't seem to moonwalk on the airship, I'd say this won't work. OTOH, the godlings (at least, the one w…
19 Apr 2001, 10:19
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Tim Reilly, in response to my remark that "god" in SS is "a deliberately ambiguous, multivalued and multiordinal term," Try this: The Narr uses (or seems to use) the word "god" t…
19 Apr 2001, 09:44
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Someone may or may not have mentioned this before -- but -- Steve's comment on Quadrifons (may or may not) have a bearing on the whole problem of Silk and the inhumi. There is, yo…
18 Apr 2001, 12:37
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Alga oozed: Well... yes. Check out the Gospel according to Luke (the _only_ account of the Annunciation to Mary -- Mt. has an account of the Annunciation to Joseph, a different ma…
18 Apr 2001, 11:27
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Timothy Reilly objected to my use of the word "petty" wrt Wolfe's use of astral travel. I would suggest that this has far more to do with your expectations of what is and what isn…
17 Apr 2001, 11:33
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Igor -- iht's aloiv! Iht's aloiv! *This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun.…
13 Apr 2001, 11:44
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Actually, I think either Krait or (most likely) Sinew, both of whom accompany the Narr -- oh, Hell, _that_ at least is definitely all Horn -- to Green and are left behind there in…
12 Apr 2001, 15:26
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Adam hath writ: No, it doesn't. New Viron, however, does; and so does the Whorl. We haven't a clue what happens to the crewly mot that set off from NV (well, as you point out, we…
12 Apr 2001, 10:10
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I mean the former. Silk|Horn (whether portrayed by the Narr or by Hood & Hife, is (to me, at least) an attractive character but _not_ the terrifyingly good man Silk was: he's far…
12 Apr 2001, 09:59
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Modulo the idea that it was "nonsense," yes. Mr. Wolfe, who writes "science-fantasy" (more accurately: he writes science fiction that makes some different assumptions about the n…
12 Apr 2001, 09:21
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Ummmm... I think, maybe, that Mr Wolfe does not _intend_ us to have the reaction to (Hoof'n'Hide's) Silk|Horn* that we had to Horn's Silk. ---------- * Nice formulation, William…
11 Apr 2001, 11:25
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Viz writes, viz: Some thoughts on this... 1. Mr Wolfe has been (dis?)informed over and again by reviewers both friendly and un that his texts are just too difficult for an sf a…
11 Apr 2001, 08:27
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Grumble: It's "Dan'l," with no "ie". Or "Blattid," or "Roach" if y'all prefer. When I'm done reading Dante -- I only noticed because I happened to decide to read the Commedia rece…
09 Apr 2001, 10:08
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Michael, no, your theory, attractive though it is (I love the idea of embarassing vampires to death...), simply doesn't fit with many of the Narr's statements about the nature of …
09 Apr 2001, 09:20
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Ummm. Because it was the moment when enlightenment came to him? *This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun.…
06 Apr 2001, 07:51
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So Also, at the risk of being obvious, the structure of Book Three does not significantly match that of Book One -- in RttW, the flashbacks are separated from the "present" narrat…
03 Apr 2001, 07:49
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Black Jacques Shellac a écrit: Whereas I had been thinking of them as looking like, well, leeches. H'mmm. Leeches are kinda-sorta radial. At least their mouths are. Actually, …
28 Mar 2001, 12:17
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I think you have confused Wolfe heroes with Heinlein. (Uh, I mean Heinlein heroes.) *This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun.…
28 Mar 2001, 07:56
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Ummmm. A great big "huh?" just hit me. The inhumi can imitate us. The inhumi can imitate Neighbors. How many limbs have the inhumi? And how can they imitate both us and the Neig…
27 Mar 2001, 10:39
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Rostrum: That isn't just Catholic, it's "mainstream" Christian teaching, though the details vary. I believe some Protestant & Evangelical groups talk about a succession of bodies…
21 Mar 2001, 09:01
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I think the [correct/best/proper] explanation of (eg) Rose's [memories/personality/consciousness/soul] [infiltrating into/integrating with] [that/those] of pMarble/Molybdenum] m…
20 Mar 2001, 15:15
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If I recall correctly, she makes some part of herself look like a human woman for Horn (and earlier for Seawrack). So she has some kind of capacity for disguise, yes, but no abil…
16 Mar 2001, 11:06
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Ummmm. Consider this: the oceanbound giants of Blue, Urth, and indeed all w[h]orl[d]s are in fact one spacegoing, perhaps even spacedwelling by nature, race. This is, I believe, …
15 Mar 2001, 08:32
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What them guys said. Sometime I think I'll have to do a miniarticle on Lupine humor -- there's a LOT of it, but it's usually subtle and often goes unnoticed until the fifth or so r…
14 Mar 2001, 07:53
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Further Borskianism: ... You aren't even damned for thinking the Neighbors have two heads, or seven if it makes you happy; just wrong (or at best unsubstantiated). But you are …
13 Mar 2001, 08:29
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Some of us, as it happens, _have_ reread SWORD recently. My copy isn't here at work with me, but... Do you recall _why_ he did a head transplant instead of just putting his brain i…
12 Mar 2001, 16:06
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I'll reply to a couple of specific points, but, Robert, it seems to me that this (like much discussion on this list) is a flagrant violation of Ockham's principle, multiplying en…
12 Mar 2001, 12:45
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... so you're the guys who came over and burned a question mark on my lawn last fall? Perhaps that was precisely the purpose? Not suggesting that Wolfe is writing for/at this li…
12 Mar 2001, 08:41
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Rather busy & don't have time to reply in detail -- but -- Adam, you seem to be barking up a very odd tree indeed here: Ummm... when else _could_ she have read it? The _only_ time…
07 Mar 2001, 16:20
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I don't immediately have a problem with the kids deliberately writing their sections of the "Book of Horn" in a way that features prominent elisions and elusions. The problem aris…
06 Mar 2001, 09:20
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Let's take a step back for a moment, and see if I can't allay _some_ of your concern. Regarding his most blatant "Christ- figure," Severian, Wolfe has repeatedly insisted that he …
02 Mar 2001, 08:29
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Whooee! The fur is flying. (Possibly the fur on Quetzal's stole?) And if anyone out there is about to protest this turning into a Christian discussion group -- Start something els…
27 Feb 2001, 15:13
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Whoa -- good post, Marc. Convert or cradle? You've seen my posts; I'm pursuing a theory about Wolfe-readers... Actually, about SF readers in general... "Completely" independent, …
27 Feb 2001, 12:35
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Innarestin. Three RCs in the group, and we're all adult converts. Do we have enough data points to establish a pattern? Is there a cradle Catholic in the group? (Even better, an…
27 Feb 2001, 11:12
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why thank you robert perhaps i shd try writing that way and ...Naaah. Anyway, Robert cites my list of resonances, and comments: I agree: in my case, because I'm simply not prepa…
27 Feb 2001, 09:39
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Responding to my observation that a "return to the world" Which lets us mix the symbolism in yet another way -- Horn is very much Silk's spiritual son; after the death on Green, …
26 Feb 2001, 15:35
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Right, which is why I put "and Alex" in the paragraph you quoted 8*) Obnoxious, no, but I think we need a little more participation that focuses on the (often explicit) religious…
26 Feb 2001, 13:14
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I know, I know. It's not a wor, it's a phrase. Blatt, blatt, blatt. *This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun.…
26 Feb 2001, 10:22
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PatRat wrote: (quoting moi) Y'welcome. Right -- but he got better. Sort of... That's you, me, and Alex ... is anyone else on this list explicitly Christian? (Is _anyone_ but …
26 Feb 2001, 10:21
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