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Heh. Good movie! I don't see this in terms of good and evil, though. More like a predator-prey relationship. Those with an abundance of self-confidence will prey on those who are more lacking in it. Has been that way since the early days of this list.

I appreciate Jeff's suggestion too though it also boggles my mind to comprehend what it going on there, not to mention what point Wolfe might have been trying to make with that. My alternate (to Marc's straight identity idea) explanation for "Green is Urth!" and the resonance of Green structures to Urth structures has to do with spiritual progression. Ushas is a spiritually advanced progression from Urth. Blue is a more spiritually advanced than Green. Antediluvian Earth is more spirtually advanced than pre-diluvian Earth which was roamed by nephilim and demons and whatever other Biblical horrors Noah's Flood washed away. Thus "GREEN is Urth!" (I think that is the most accurate representation of the quote). Green not Blue. Blue is more like Ushas. So much focus is on the similar structures found on Green and Urth in this discussion. Ignored are the similarity of ruins found under the waters of both Blue and Ushas.

My problem with all this is that Blue is colder than Urth is colder than Green - that city under the water is a MacGuffin, we are meant to look at it and try to find a way to map Urth onto it but there is just no way to do it and the mechanism is just not there to explain how they accidentally wind up on Urth when they mean to go to Green. I firmly believed blue was Urth/Ushas until Gene corrected me. I don't see Blue as Ushas. It's the coldest of the three (two) worlds. It's something else. And I like literal truths to explain things in Wolfe; I feel that is how he utilizes symbols. Thus my opinion Latro really IS Pleistorus, Weer really IS dead, Green really IS Urth, Silk really IS Typhon's son, Kypris really IS Mamelta, the rajan really IS Silk after OBW, etc etc etc. I think that's how Wolfe operates when he creates his identity mysteries: that there is a real tacit solid non-symbolic solution that explains the metonymic resonances that permeate the text (bunch of tales about dead people and sneaky murderers set up in parallel? narrator is really dead and killed at least one person!) We don't all have to agree though and I really do understand why some don't.

No dia 09/11/2011, ?s 22:45, Marc Aramini <marcaramini at yahoo.com> escreveu:

I think this is an important point.

But Gene DID deny this. I think we have to let the author have his say. JBJordan (formerly Nutria) James B. Jordan Director, Biblical Horizons Box 1096 Niceville, FL 32588 http://www.biblicalhorizons.com

Where did he say this? In the one interview I recall, where he said anything about it at all, he denied that the pair Green and Blue mapped to any of a number of planet pairs. But he did not deny that the one planet, Green, was Urth.

He denied Green/Blue was Urth/Lune. He never ever denied to me what he wrote to me; just asked me not to share it after the fact. What is the author's say? --- On Wed, 11/9/11, James B. Jordan <jbjordan4 at cox.net> wrote: From: James B. Jordan <jbjordan4 at cox.net> Subject: Re: (urth) (no subject) To: "The Urth Mailing List" <urth at lists.urth.net> Date: Wednesday, November 9, 2011, 3:49 PM At 04:45 PM 11/9/2011, you wrote: Green really IS Urth, But Gene DID deny this. I think we have to let the author have his say. JBJordan (formerly Nutria) James B. Jordan Director, Biblical Horizons Box 1096 Niceville, FL 32588 http://www.biblicalhorizons.com -----Inline Attachment Follows-----