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Lee Berman23 Dec 2011, 14:22as archived
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Gerry Quinn: The experts don’t just tell me how it works, they produce extensive and consistent mathematical models covering a wide range of domains and invite me to pick holes in them, or carry out any experiment that might invalidate them. Lee is spouting a tired old argument which uses cultural relativism to assail all notions of objective truth.
As I see it, if it is human-created it is, by definition, not objective truth. How could it be? Only God is objective. The rest of us were gestated in a womb and raised in an ape-like family and social community. No big black rectangles around that I can see...Math and science can have no claim on universal truth until we have multiple alien races across the universe demonstrating identical use. Cultural relativism? That's good! Using a political/social term as judgement of one's own universal superiority is what I was talking about in the previous post. Scientist= Priest.
David Stockhoff23 Dec 2011, 14:36as archived
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On 12/23/2011 9:22 AM, Lee Berman wrote:
Gerry Quinn: The experts don’t just tell me how it works, they produce extensive and consistent mathematical models covering a wide range of domains and invite me to pick holes in them, or carry out any experiment that might invalidate them. Lee is spouting a tired old argument which uses cultural relativism to assail all notions of objective truth.
As I see it, if it is human-created it is, by definition, not objective truth. How could it be? Only God is objective. The rest of us were gestated in a womb and raised in an ape-like family and social community. No big black rectangles around that I can see...Math and science can have no claim on universal truth until we have multiple alien races across the universe demonstrating identical use. Cultural relativism? That's good! Using a political/social term as judgement of one's own universal superiority is what I was talking about in the previous post. Scientist= Priest.
Naturally, to a scientist or priest, that equal sign doesn't work at all.

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