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Urth Digest, Vol 116, Issue 28

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Brian Doherty29 Apr 2014, 01:57as archived

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As a book author, tho never fiction and never with Tor, that generally means that the contracted work has been turned in and the publisher has agreed, yes, we will publish this. It is likely the beginning of the editorial process, though. I'd guess publication is likely still a year away---sometime Spring 2015. This could all be wrong. Trad publishing is SLOW. With my last book I was absolutely assured that the ABSOLUTE MINIMUM my major NY house could turn an absolutely finished ms---one ready to be formatted and printed, already completely read edited and proofread---into a physical object in stores was four months. (And this was nonfiction essentially about a constantly changing ongoing news story where weeks were of the essence.) And that was when everything about the editorial process was done. Basically, if we don't already see it in a Tor catalog, it's probably 10 months to a year away. Brian Doherty

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On Apr 28, 2014, at 1:32 AM, Marc Aramini wrote:

Gene indicated "A Borrowed Man" has been accepted by Tor and he is working on a probably related something called "The Labyrinth in the Library."

David Stockhoff29 Apr 2014, 02:03as archived

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If it's a standard 300-pager, that's about right. Being on the publications side myself, I can add that four months is only possible with a perfect manuscript. Since there is no such thing, six months is a much more typical minimum.

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On 4/28/2014 9:57 PM, Brian Doherty wrote: As a book author, tho never fiction and never with Tor, that generally means that the contracted work has been turned in and the publisher has agreed, yes, we will publish this. It is likely the beginning of the editorial process, though. I'd guess publication is likely still a year away---sometime Spring 2015. This could all be wrong. Trad publishing is SLOW. With my last book I was absolutely assured that the ABSOLUTE MINIMUM my major NY house could turn an absolutely finished ms---one ready to be formatted and printed, already completely read edited and proofread---into a physical object in stores was four months. (And this was nonfiction essentially about a constantly changing ongoing news story where weeks were of the essence.) And that was when everything about the editorial process was done. Basically, if we don't already see it in a Tor catalog, it's probably 10 months to a year away. Brian Doherty

On Apr 28, 2014, at 1:32 AM, Marc Aramini wrote:

Gene indicated "A Borrowed Man" has been accepted by Tor and he is working on a probably related something called "The Labyrinth in the Library."

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Andreas Johansson30 Apr 2014, 08:48as archived

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RE: posts from the list disappearing. I only subscribe to the Urth Digest, and these arrive in my "Kampanj" folder of my gmail account (campaign), along with store discounts, newsletters and such. Why it has chosen that folder I have no idea; other mail lists I subscribe to wind up in the Forum folder, and those have been dropping out into the spam folder. The structure of these internet beasts can be hazy and arbitrary, to say the least... Btw: "Labyrinth in the Library" as the title for a new Wolfe book? Sounds like it could be a thesis on J.L. Borges... 2014-04-29 2:59 GMT+02:00 <urth-request at lists.urth.net>:

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Send Urth mailing list submissions to urth at lists.urth.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.urth.net/listinfo.cgi/urth-urth.net or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to urth-request at lists.urth.net You can reach the person managing the list at urth-owner at lists.urth.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Urth digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Borrowed Man accepted and next project (Darth Ed) 2. Re: Meta: messages being dropped into Gmail spam folder (Ant?nio Pedro Marques) 3. Re: Meta: messages being dropped into Gmail spam folder (Marc Aramini) 4. Re: Meta: messages being dropped into Gmail spam folder (Dan Schmidt) 5. Re: Meta: messages being dropped into Gmail spam folder (Antonin Scriabin) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 19:10:45 -0400 From: Darth Ed <darthed77 at gmail.com> To: The Urth Mailing List <urth at lists.urth.net> Subject: Re: (urth) Borrowed Man accepted and next project Message-ID: <52A2CFCD-578D-4C05-9251-2908DB2BFD97 at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Apr 28, 2014, at 1:32 AM, Marc Aramini wrote:

Gene indicated "A Borrowed Man" has been accepted by Tor and he is working on a probably related something called "The Labyrinth in the Library."

Great news! Does "accepted" mean that the editing is finished or is that process still ongoing? (Sorry, I'm not up on the specifics of book publishing lingo.) Any idea of how soon should we expect its release date to be scheduled? Thanks, Ed http://www.wolfewiki.com/pmwiki/pmwiki.php?n=Profiles.DarthEd ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 00:28:16 +0100 From: Ant?nio Pedro Marques <entonio at gmail.com> To: The Urth Mailing List <urth at lists.urth.net> Subject: Re: (urth) Meta: messages being dropped into Gmail spam folder Message-ID: <65D3842D-4DA6-4F21-A1C6-880183EF709B at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I'm not sure that's enough - I have a filter to catch all Urth messages and send them to a Wolfe folder, and still it has happened a lot that I'm half way through one of Marc's messages and it disappears! It's those liberals, I tell you. Welcome! No dia 28/04/2014, ?s 18:52, Dimitar Nikolov <dimitar.g.nikolov at gmail.com> escreveu:

Long time lurker here. I've noticed this too, and unfortunately it looks like gmail's spam filter has become more aggressive, since this has been happening with other messages for me. The solution is to set up a filter from Settings > Filters, such that messages sent to urth at lists.urth.netare never marked as spam. Hope this helps. Best, Dimitar On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Fred Kiesche <godelescherbach at gmail.com> wrote: I've been getting that as well. Several times gmail has asked me if I want to forward the message to their crack team to help "improve" things, but the e-mails keep getting dumped in there. Grrrr!!! On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes <danldo at gmail.com> wrote: Yes. It's quite irritating, as Marc's posts are always worth reading! On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 10:22 AM, Gwern Branwen <gwern at gwern.net> wrote: I've noticed over the past few weeks that Urth.net emails from Yahoo.com users (such as Marc Aramini) seem to be regularly dropping into my spam folder despite me always marking them non-spam. Has anyone else been seeing this behavior? -- gwern http://www.gwern.net _______________________________________________ Urth Mailing List To post, write urth at urth.net Subscription/information: http://www.urth.net -- Dan'l Danehy-Oakes _______________________________________________ Urth Mailing List To post, write urth at urth.net Subscription/information: http://www.urth.net -- F.P. Kiesche III Husband, Father, Good Cook. Reader. Keeper of abandoned dogs. Catholic Liberal Conservative Militarist. Does not fit into a neat box or category.

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------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 17:29:38 -0700 From: Marc Aramini <marcaramini at yahoo.com> To: The Urth Mailing List <urth at lists.urth.net> Subject: Re: (urth) Meta: messages being dropped into Gmail spam folder Message-ID: <9036160E-5623-4BDA-B71C-E4FA09F8CB7B at yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It's weird a lot of the urth messages go to spam on me so I just check the archive frequently. Last week it said all the bounces were going to deactivate my account from the urth list unless I reactivated it manually, which I did. Very bizarre. Maybe I should make an urth posting email from a new hosting email address Sent from my iPhone On Apr 28, 2014, at 10:22 AM, Gwern Branwen <gwern at gwern.net> wrote:

I've noticed over the past few weeks that Urth.net emails from Yahoo.com users (such as Marc Aramini) seem to be regularly dropping into my spam folder despite me always marking them non-spam. Has anyone else been seeing this behavior? -- gwern http://www.gwern.net _______________________________________________

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