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----- Original Message ----- I will chase this up :-) So? "That was before they got it irrigated" as old Rudesind says. The word "irrigated" was what made me think of dumpin…
01 Mar 2002, 07:43
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----- Original Message ----- Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the fundamental thing about SF is how it feels. Science fiction is myth-making, not rationality. The Whorl is a BDO, a human…
28 Feb 2002, 15:34
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----- Original Message ----- This does not feel right. You are correct that this sort of thing is often glossed over, but the Whorl is a STL generation starship and is not at the…
27 Feb 2002, 23:20
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----- Original Message ----- in Also known a "The Yellow Handkerchief". These are the trad words as I hear tell For once I loved a young girl as I loved my life And I thou…
27 Feb 2002, 00:40
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----- Original Message ----- Surely the fact that Silk is an analog of Odin must have been mentioned here? Black bird. One eye. Staff. I know that I hung in the windtorn tr…
24 Feb 2002, 20:15
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----- Original Message ----- Yes, a fine story. Mahes was one of the Egyptian gods http://www.touregypt.net/godsofegypt/mahes.htm Mahes Other Names: similar to the Furies o…
23 Feb 2002, 11:20
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----- Original Message ----- That is a subtle thought. Maybe here is something actually "supernatural" here? Maybe the religion of the rebels, if that is what it is, actually al…
21 Feb 2002, 21:50
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Original Message ----- Well, I have e-mailed him :-) hartshorn…
21 Feb 2002, 21:36
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I think it is possible that when Horn went to Green he was sucked dry by an inhumu and thereafter merely thought he was human. I cannot pin down the spot but I think it might be a…
19 Feb 2002, 12:28
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----- Original Message ----- It has long been speculated that Silk/Horn is an inhumi, or perhaps that the "spirit" that inhabits him was not that of Horn, but that of an inhumi wh…
18 Feb 2002, 01:06
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I am not much up on Kabbalistic themes, but listmembers might find some amusement in my attempts to fuse them with Lovecraft and Elementary Particle Physics, at "Domain Science let…
15 Feb 2002, 09:04
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----- Original Message ----- From: James Jordan Actually, it seems to me a powerful image of failure in spite of hope :-( hartshorn…
12 Feb 2002, 20:31
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----- Original Message ----- Sarky! OK, "Catholic" in the catholic sense then. Complex. The real-life Emperor represents a combination of tribal leader and religious leader ele…
12 Feb 2002, 09:12
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----- Original Message ----- It is on BONS somewhere. I always wondered at that. How come the inhabitants of this future South America are (mostly) European and white, even blon…
12 Feb 2002, 09:05
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Thus it is, I am told . . . hartshorn ----- Original Message -----…
12 Feb 2002, 08:31
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----- Original Message ----- Wolfe would identify it as demonic, aand parabolically condemn it as such. Specifically, the real-life Japanese kamikazi is an expression of a religi…
10 Feb 2002, 23:32
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----- Original Message ----- Uh, I thought I said that ....... No, we are only arguing about the words here. The central point of this story is the need to build an actual m…
10 Feb 2002, 22:06
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----- Original Message ----- Exactly - as I read the story. This is Clio's act of fulfulling and affirming the trust her followers have placed in her. For **her** side - the win…
10 Feb 2002, 20:27
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----- Original Message ----- Basically, yes. But it is not the fact that she kills someone. The real fight is a moral one, like all real fights. It is the fight to build and ma…
10 Feb 2002, 05:35
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----- Original Message ----- Oh dear, this is my fault. My background thinking is steeped in Evolutionary psychology. I didn't mean "evolve" as in "get better". That is not a…
09 Feb 2002, 18:58
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----- Original Message ----- Well, that is a comical story, while "Hour of Trust" is very realistic. No, it is a war story, with one side having been hopelessly outevolved by the…
09 Feb 2002, 18:00
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----- Original Message ----- Interesting. I note one thing. Wright casually uses the term "white" for coloniser, but what is notable about TFHOC is that the colonised "abos" su…
09 Feb 2002, 12:29
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----- Original Message ----- So how does that relate to the "false-but-deeply-felt humanity" of the inhumi, and its equivalent sexuality? Is Hyacinth the converse of Jahlee: a bl…
08 Feb 2002, 06:49
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----- Original Message ----- or love . . . now, come to think of it the whole business of the inhumi is about "the healing power of love", isn' it? If people stop hating the inh…
07 Feb 2002, 11:40
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----- Original Message ----- <snip> Hyacinth is not a traanssexual, but she is such an artificial woman that your idea is perhaps symbolically true. And actually, she is not a…
06 Feb 2002, 21:59
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----- Original Message ----- While you are right, I think you are looking at the etherial symbolism and missing the earthy basics of his story. What are wars fought for? Wars …
03 Feb 2002, 15:21
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and . . . hartshorn ----- Original Message -----…
03 Feb 2002, 13:12
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And more ...... hartshorn ----- Original Message ----- From: gvgfsf at aol.com To: fictionmags at yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 1:06 AM Subject: [fictionmags…
03 Feb 2002, 08:03
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and yet earlier ones . . . hartshorn ----- Original Message -----…
02 Feb 2002, 16:02
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Thanks to jess nevins of Fictionmags I have..... hartshorn ............................................................................ ............................. The U…
02 Feb 2002, 12:41
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----- Original Message ----- I am surprised to find someone reading Wolfe with this sort of binary thinking The Empire was never simply a force for good. It was *meant* (in Cat…
31 Jan 2002, 23:17
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----- Original Message ----- Politically, no-one seems to have mentioned Wolfe's only direct statement on the subject: Severian: "Unite? Shout? I know that you have isolated…
30 Jan 2002, 13:27
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I am still thinking about your fasinating idea about the trees eating and recombining with Horn in the pit. I am not convinced, quite, but I agree that Horn's time in the pit was …
30 Jan 2002, 13:10
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Marc, speakng as one overintelligent guy to another, bin there, done that, go and get drunk, have a hike, do somehting non-cerebral, NOW!!! ----- ***** ----- Otherwise, FWIW…
09 Jan 2002, 16:16
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Yeah, good point. Today we say the dynamics of the Earth-Moon system is chaotic and its evolution cannot be predicted. When Wolfe wrote TBOTNS the consensus was still that the or…
09 Jan 2002, 16:02
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Green is obviously in a parallel orbit to Blue, occasionally overtaking it in its orbit. This takes years because the planets have nearly the same orbit and so nearly the same or…
09 Jan 2002, 15:56
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----- Original Message ----- "Hour of Trust" is the obvious one here. The crucial point here is that the criterion of whether revolution is allowable is not the form of governmen…
07 Jan 2002, 11:39
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----- Original Message ----- Do you know, I almost believe this. It would be a parallel with Severian's time-warping experiences on The Ship - Wolfe obviously understands enough…
06 Jan 2002, 23:57
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----- Original Message ----- Local fan, basically Well you will have an opportunity to read something by little me in the january issue. "The Eater" - my first published story. …
05 Jan 2002, 10:14
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----- Original Message ----- I wasn't talking about Wolfe's private life at all, but about the type of fictional character he is comfortable with! (and maybe this is a good poin…
05 Jan 2002, 08:20
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Gene Wolfe wrote to me, when questioned on this very point: <quote> I would say "rejected." If you prefer "refused" or "withdrawn" I will not object. </quote> Me, I think Haber…
04 Jan 2002, 22:35
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----- Original Message ----- I think you are right. "Libertarianism" was just my retreat from having to explain all that stuff that Patera Nutria explained so much better than …
04 Jan 2002, 22:15
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----- Original Message ----- Nonsense. Wolfe is what we call a Nerd, in this decadent age, and in a better one would call an Artisan. His interest is in working quietly, cunnin…
04 Jan 2002, 21:46
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I am sure it has been alluded to by Wolfe. But where, I cannot say. And now you challenge me, I fear that I may have been mistaken. I am sorry if that is so. I will continue …
04 Jan 2002, 21:38
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----- Original Message ----- Very wisely put. I wish even more that we had seen that visit of Severian to Lune. And I agree about Perelandra showing through in the Green worlds,…
04 Jan 2002, 10:39
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----- Original Message ----- b) of course. I guess we should attempt to sheer off from direct political arguments, but it seems legit to discuss Wolfe's politics in connection w…
03 Jan 2002, 19:06
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----- Original Message ----- Absent the silly sneers, "an organic society" is the just word I think a quick summary of Wolfe's position on social hierarchy would be. Someone is g…
03 Jan 2002, 17:36
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There is a reference to "The Wild Knight" in "Silhouette", the story with icefoam set in a decaying spaceship. The character is reading an e-book sort of thing. I doubt one rea…
03 Jan 2002, 10:57
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I mean primarily the Green/Blue thing, but it has applicability elsewhere. The question about whether Green and Blue are Lune and Ushas or even St Anne and St Croix in literal tru…
03 Jan 2002, 10:31
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----- Original Message ----- I disagree, but then I would. Michael Moorcock famously said "I am an Orc"…
03 Jan 2002, 00:23
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