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Lee Berman17 Nov 2011, 21:22as archived

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James Wynn: Also, there is the whole (quite intentional) Osiris motif in which Isis (Kypris) has to run around gathering parts of the god after he has been murdered.

Marc Aramini: I agree that the mapping of some myths are to be expected and found, my problem with bringing in a bunch of different mythos is that Wolfe couldn't have alluded to them all intentionally and still made a good story

David Stockhoff: I dunno, Marc. Osiris's murder story is a very specific, concrete narrative which is plainly retold here up to a point.

I concur. Moreover there is some evidence that Wolfe is intentionally shifting his allusion from Greco-Roman myth allusion of Urth to the sea neigbor/rival Egyptian mythology for the Whorl. The two(as far as I know) Greek and Egyptian mythological characters which share a name are Typhon and Sphinx. And Wolfe has included both in this story.

David Stockhoff17 Nov 2011, 21:29as archived

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On 11/17/2011 4:22 PM, Lee Berman wrote:

James Wynn: Also, there is the whole (quite intentional) Osiris motif in which Isis (Kypris) has to run around gathering parts of the god after he has been murdered.

Marc Aramini: I agree that the mapping of some myths are to be expected and found, my problem with bringing in a bunch of different mythos is that Wolfe couldn't have alluded to them all intentionally and still made a good story

David Stockhoff: I dunno, Marc. Osiris's murder story is a very specific, concrete narrative which is plainly retold here up to a point.

I concur. Moreover there is some evidence that Wolfe is intentionally shifting his allusion from Greco-Roman myth allusion of Urth to the sea neigbor/rival Egyptian mythology for the Whorl. The two(as far as I know) Greek and Egyptian mythological characters which share a name are Typhon and Sphinx. And Wolfe has included both in this story.

Good observation. And Isis.

Larry Miller17 Nov 2011, 22:29as archived

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I agree with both of you. I think its best when reading the sun books to aply only one or two layers. On my last reading of New Sun I simply tried looking for references to Theseus and Christ for example.

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On 11/17/11, David Stockhoff <dstockhoff at verizon.net> wrote: On 11/17/2011 4:22 PM, Lee Berman wrote:

James Wynn: Also, there is the whole (quite intentional) Osiris motif in which Isis (Kypris) has to run around gathering parts of the god after he has been murdered.

Marc Aramini: I agree that the mapping of some myths are to be expected and found, my problem with bringing in a bunch of different mythos is that Wolfe couldn't have alluded to them all intentionally and still made a good story

David Stockhoff: I dunno, Marc. Osiris's murder story is a very specific, concrete narrative which is plainly retold here up to a point.

I concur. Moreover there is some evidence that Wolfe is intentionally shifting his allusion from Greco-Roman myth allusion of Urth to the sea neigbor/rival Egyptian mythology for the Whorl. The two(as far as I know) Greek and Egyptian mythological characters which share a name are Typhon and Sphinx. And Wolfe has included both in this story.

Good observation. And Isis. _______________________________________________